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Trump urged to ditch AGW denial by 630 major firms who warn it 'prosperity at risk'

Re: Trump urged to ditch AGW denial by 630 major firms who warn it 'prosperity at ris

Who was the diesel exhaust fluid a gift to?

Are you fan of smog? NOX emissions are a major cause of it.
 
Re: Trump urged to ditch AGW denial by 630 major firms who warn it 'prosperity at ris

Are you fan of smog? NOX emissions are a major cause of it.

So, running piss and water through the exhaust system is the cure?
 
Re: Trump urged to ditch AGW denial by 630 major firms who warn it 'prosperity at ris

What?? That article even references the fact it's only a US tax credit.

That tax credit doesn't exist in other countries. These other countries have successful solar programs without the need for tax credits (Forbes Welcome)

How? Because the solar companies competition (fossil fuels) aren't propped up by the govt in those countries, unlike here where they receive massive subsidies that dwarf solar. We've been through this.

Oh...you're moving the goalposts again. Dude, you have to give me a heads up when you move goalposts.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...es-falls-by-three-quarters-after-subsidy-cuts
 
Re: Trump urged to ditch AGW denial by 630 major firms who warn it 'prosperity at ris

People at large will purchase green energy, when it is naturally the lowest cost option.
The most likely path forward, is man made hydrocarbon fuels,
storing the surplus energy from low density poor duty cycle wind and solar, as carbon neutral fuels.
The existing refineries could do this, and sell the fuel through existing channels, but it will not become
economically viable until oil get above about $90 a barrel.
At this stage the Federal Government could unify the quilt work of home power grid attachment laws across the country,
so that both the home energy producer and the grid owner get a fair deal.
The Government can help pay for research, but should not subsidize any particular technology,
as that would artificially influence the market forces that need to work for the best technology to
move forward.

Indeed. The market will drive green energy technologies to great popularity and market penetration the day that those green energy technologies can stand on their own two feet in the market without government life support, which always will be withdrawn to the green energy technologies' detriment, and probable collapse.
 
Re: Trump urged to ditch AGW denial by 630 major firms who warn it 'prosperity at ris

So, running piss and water through the exhaust system is the cure?

It reduces NOX emissions from diesel engines so yes it reduces smog. Diesels are very bad NOX emitters and should be limited to vehicles over 3 tons in capacity IMO. Smog lovers bedamned.
 
Re: Trump urged to ditch AGW denial by 630 major firms who warn it 'prosperity at ris

Homeowner solar panels aren't really what we're focussing on. This is about utility scale.

Solar has been shown to be cheaper than ff in many places (over 30 countries: http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Renewable_Infrastructure_Investment_Handbook.pdf) In Chile, new solar plants offer solar generated electricity at half the cost of natural gas. Globally, Bloomberg predicts that on average solar will be the cheapest way to produce energy overall (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-on-earth-look-skyward-as-coal-falls-to-solar).

It has been shown that the reason it isn't cheaper in many places is due to the excessive regulations on solar that lead to crippling soft costs. The trend of declining cost of solar is only going to continue as the technology improves, and people become more comfortable with the idea of solar power (right now, many solar utility deals tread new ground - which obviously makes them more expensive as they cannot use existing knowledge). The sooner we get on it, the more money the American govt and consumer will save.

Note how none of you anti-solar folk have been able to quote any real figures? It's because you have an ideological bias against renewable energy even when it makes more economic sense.

Solar and renewables aren't perfect, they still have issues (such as intermittency, although solar utility plant energy projections are 99% accurate). I'd still like to see them as part of a balanced grid with nuclear, but they are quickly becoming a better economic alternative to the fossil fuels that have been propped up by the government for almost a century. Time to do away with govt interference in the sector.



Agreed the grid is an issue. It's an infrastructure project that definitely needs looking into.

Thankfully, infrastructure improvement has bipartisan support. Lets see if that kind of bipartisan support will prove to be more powerful than the fossil fuel lobbies, who are fine with the grid how it is.

I'm sure the utilities are being bribed or jawboned into buying solar panels too.

Because if solar panels are not cost effective for homeowners without government subsidies they are not a good deal for utility companies either without incentives.

and I'm not anti solar.

I just don't like seeing government morons picking winners and losers instead of the free market.
 
Re: Trump urged to ditch AGW denial by 630 major firms who warn it 'prosperity at ris

That may not be entirely true, the numbers have dropped to the point that subsidized cost now
could be less than the subsidized cost as recently as 5 years ago.
From a retirement investment standpoint, solar could be a good hedge against inflation.
Solar Sky 6.24 kW Grid‑Tied Solar System with SMA and 24x AstronergyÂ*260 Panels - Wholesale Solar
A system like this could save almost $80 a month. Where else could you invest say $12,000 and save $960 a year?

Fine.

Drop the 30% tax credit on solar and let the chips fall where they may.

But greenies recoil at that suggestion every time I make it.
 
Re: Trump urged to ditch AGW denial by 630 major firms who warn it 'prosperity at ris

Fine.

Drop the 30% tax credit on solar and let the chips fall where they may.

But greenies recoil at that suggestion every time I make it.

I've suggested just that in this thread. Make sure we drop the fossil fuel subsidies too, wouldn't want the govt picking winners and losers would we.
 
Re: Trump urged to ditch AGW denial by 630 major firms who warn it 'prosperity at ris

The real problem Solar has is duty cycle, Panels provide power to the grid when there may be no load,
and the grid may have a load when there is no supply.
Having wide geographic distribution helps this some, but night covers a lot of area at the same time.
Our ability to store surplus energy for later use is what is the limiting factor for solar as well as wind energy.
Some new technologies are trying to address this deficiency.
sunfire supplies Boeing with reversible solid oxide electrolyser/fuel cell system - Renewable Energy Focus
I can envision a future where the electrical grid is part of the energy transport, not the purchaser of power.
The Oil refineries will consume all of the grid energy surpluses, providing the very necessary dump load.
The surplus energy would be stored as man made hydrocarbon fuels made from atmospheric CO2, to be carbon neutral.
http://www.sunfire.de/en/applications/fuel
Homeowners may choose ether a dollar value or a fuel credit for their surplus electricity.
P.S. it takes about 50 Kwh of electricity to make a gallon of Gasoline.
To make this future possible, the Federal government needs to unify the grid attachment laws across the country,
to be fair to both the homeowner and the grid owner.
If the Government wants something like this to happen faster, they could make the home solar surplus price about $.04 per Kwh.
This $.04/Kwh rate would make this technology viable with $70 a barrel oil.
The refineries make carbon neutral fuel from the surplus solar energy, that is sold through existing channels.
the change is transparent to the end users, and new CO2 emissions practically halt.
The model of sustainable, the more solar roofs, the more man made fuels.
 
Re: Trump urged to ditch AGW denial by 630 major firms who warn it 'prosperity at ris

I've suggested just that in this thread. Make sure we drop the fossil fuel subsidies too, wouldn't want the govt picking winners and losers would we.

I agree
 
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