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Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘vaccin

Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

You are posting garbage.... what you know? Lol.

Under reporting adverse reactions has been put as high az 95%.

I really don't care if you think I'm posting garbage, Bodhi.
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

I really don't care if you think I'm posting garbage, Bodhi.

Under reporting is a fact. If you ignore that then your claims that adverse reactions are so minor are meritless...
 
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Life isn't fair. That is their problem. People die...

And if you want to use public schools and such, you'll have to vaccinate your kids. Life isn't fair, but stupidity is controllable.
 
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At least all those unvaccinated kids will only be able to infect each other. Maybe their parents and siblings, too.

Along with the babies can't be vaccinated until they're of age. The cancer patients on chemo who can't be vaccinated... people with immunity disorders who can't be vaccinated...

The ignorant anti-vaxxers who don't vaccinate their children are usually vaccinated themselves, so when their unvaccinated kid does come down with measles or whatever, they don't get it themselves, but they don't realize other people are vulnerable.

Story from a mother who's child was too young to get the measles vaccine. From another forum.

I'm sitting alone drinking to much again and just need to get this off my chest. Three years ago I had a baby girl, her name was Emily and I loved her more than anything in this entire ****ed up world. She was a mistake and I'd only been getting my **** together when I found out I was going to have her. I spent a long time thinking over whether or not I should have her or just abort her because I wasn't bringing her into a good place, but in the end I planned things out and did everything to make sure I could afford her and we wouldn't be living in poverty. I did everything I could for my baby with doctors visits and medicine and working a **** retail job at 8 months pregnant all by myself just so I could bring some happiness into my life. she was born in October and was so so beautiful. I'd messed up a few things in my life but I wasn't going to mess up with her if I could help it.

Then when she was 8 months old, too young yet for an mmr shot? she got sick. She was sick for a while and I'd never seen anything like it. I took her to the doctor. She was in the hospital and she looked so bad, she was crying and coughing and there was nothing I could do. I felt like the worst mother in the world. After I got her to the hospital she got worse, got something called measles encephalitis, where her brain was inflamed. I hadn't believed in god in years but you better believe I was praying for her every day.
She died in the hospital a week or so later. I held her little tiny body and wanted to jump off a bridge and broke down in the hospital. The nurses were sympathetic and I was, well I made a scene I'm pretty sure.

I found out later via facebook of ****ing course that the neighbor I'd had watch my baby was an anti-vaxxer and had posted photos of her kid sick and other bull**** about how he was fine.
He was fine? He was FINE? My kid was DEAD because she made that choice. I went over and talked to her and she admitted he'd been sick when she'd had my kid last but didn't think much of it. I screamed at her. I screamed and yelled and told her the devil was going to torture her soul for eternity you god loving **** because she took my baby from me. I'm sure I looked crazy, at the time maybe I was. I'm crying writing this now, and in my darkest moments I'd wished her kid was dead and it makes me feel worse.
I'd like to say I'm doing better but I'm really not. I'm alive, going day to day, trying to be the person I wanted to be for my kid even if my little Emily isn't here anymore. That's the only thing keeping me going anymore. I don't have anything else left.

Please vaccinate your kids, so other moms like me don't have to watch their baby die. It's not just your choice only affecting your kid, you are putting every child who for some reason hasn't gotten vaccinated in SO much danger. Please please please for the love of god please vaccinate.
 
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Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

I really don't care if you think I'm posting garbage, Bodhi.

Most anti-vaxxers post nothing but garbage and have no ability to understand statistics, probabilities, and science.
 
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No. It ignored real harm done by playing with statistics.

It's not "playing" with statistics to point out the relative risks - that's the point of risk statistics, to evaluate, analyze, and compare risks associated with various alternatives.
 
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Along with the babies can't be vaccinated until they're of age. The cancer patients on chemo who can't be vaccinated... people with immunity disorders who can't be vaccinated...

The ignorant anti-vaxxers who don't vaccinate their children are usually vaccinated themselves, so when their unvaccinated kid does come down with measles or whatever, they don't get it themselves, but they don't realize other people are vulnerable.

Story from a mother who's child was too young to get the measles vaccine:

Yeah, I didn't know this aspect of the story. It's more serious than I knew.
Ya know, it just occured to me- I wonder how many home-schoolers also are anti-vaccine. There's a nearly anti-social feel about both things.
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

but stupidity is controllable.

Yes. It is. Anything not stupid to add?
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

Yes. It is. Anything not stupid to add?

No, I'm not an anti-vaxxer.
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

Most anti-vaxxers post nothing but garbage and have no ability to understand statistics, probabilities, and science.

She is a vaxxer...
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

She is a vaxxer...

lol, you may have missed the point on that one.
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

No ****. That still doesn't convince me of anything.

I'd be shocked if I didn't know you.
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

Yeah, I didn't know this aspect of the story. It's more serious than I knew.
Ya know, it just occured to me- I wonder how many home-schoolers also are anti-vaccine. There's a nearly anti-social feel about both things.

I have a few friends who home school or did home school their kids. The kids were all vaccinated. In our town you can't participate in any sports, rec or school affiliated (which home schoolers can still do) without the vaccinations.
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

Under reporting is a fact. If you ignore that then your claims that adverse reactions are so minor are meritless...

Are you disputing the fact that most side effects from vaccines are minor?
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

lol, you may have missed the point on that one.

Doh... or i just made a play with words. :lol:
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

Are you disputing the fact that most side effects from vaccines are minor?

It's interesting in some aspect, if you're going to claim things are under-reported and then say that negative side-effects are as high as 95%....how do you know? If it's under-reported, the data isn't there. The best you can do is guess.

And 95%!? You have to count sore arms in that lot to get there. There is enough actual data on vaccinations to properly parse the data. And while there can be some serious complications and sickness, the data is in and those cases, particularly very severe reactions are very very low. Then you look at all the lives that vaccinations save. It's really a no-brainer.

But there's no reason with those who throw away science. You can give them all the numbers, all the stats, all the probabilities, show how beneficial they are; it won't matter, the information won't even be considered. It's a preconceived notion, typically based in extreme ignorance, and the only way to perpetuate it is to ignore all the science and evidence.
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

Are you disputing the fact that most side effects from vaccines are minor?

No. Minor and major are seriously under.reported. 80-95%. Why do you keep ignoring that?
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

It's interesting in some aspect, if you're going to claim things are under-reported and then say that negative side-effects are as high as 95%....how do you know? If it's under-reported, the data isn't there. The best you can do is guess.

And 95%!? You have to count sore arms in that lot to get there. There is enough actual data on vaccinations to properly parse the data. And while there can be some serious complications and sickness, the data is in and those cases, particularly very severe reactions are very very low. Then you look at all the lives that vaccinations save. It's really a no-brainer.

But there's no reason with those who throw away science. You can give them all the numbers, all the stats, all the probabilities, show how beneficial they are; it won't matter, the information won't even be considered. It's a preconceived notion, typically based in extreme ignorance, and the only way to perpetuate it is to ignore all the science and evidence.

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Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

No. Minor and major are seriously under.reported. 80-95%. Why do you keep ignoring that?

Um, not ignoring it. And your also wrong on another thing. Major cases (like an allergic reaction) are much more likely to be reported than minor cases (like soreness).
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

Um, not ignoring it. And your also wrong on another thing. Major cases (like an allergic reaction) are much more likely to be reported than minor cases (like soreness).

What!? That's crazy, severe reactions or sickness more likely to be reported and a sore arm!? Don't you know vaccines are killing up to 95% of our children! lol
 
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You are young and learning about communication. I was playing with words. What makes it silly/sarcastic or whatever is that i turned it around by acting confused when his point was crystal clear. How this is not obvious is beyond me. Do you really need a ;) for such things?
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

Um, not ignoring it. And your also wrong on another thing. Major cases (like an allergic reaction) are much more likely to be reported than minor cases (like soreness).

Then why did four doctors (at least) in our case not report it? Ill take my experience and research in this matter over your assumptions any day...
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

No. Minor and major are seriously under.reported. 80-95%. Why do you keep ignoring that?

Big pharma when a new drug passes testing and is authorized for the market has a record that sucks with little to no requirement to track reactions. More harm from those drugs than vaccines.
 
Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

Oh my god... measles.

How many people die from measles in the US?



I had the measles when I was five. Ran a temp over 103 for two weeks. 105 at times. It messed up my hearing ability for life.
 
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