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    Re: Republicans scramble to ease concerns about Obamacare replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Pero, you make valid points. The hyperbole is over the top. But how angry should you get? Lets answer a few questions to see.

    Is the message totally asinine and baseless? Yes
    Are multiple media outlets pushing that message? No
    Are members of congress pushing that message? No
    Are large number of people repeating that message as if its fact? No


    Hey I know, answer those questions for Death panels, birth certificates or Benghazi stand down lies. I get all “yes” answers. What answers did you get? Anyhoo, I think Goebels would be more proud of propaganda that required a concerted and coordinated effort and worked. Like the ones that have all "yes" answers.
    Perhaps. Watching C-Span I seen congressmen putting forth this argument. Republicans out to kill your grandma, they will push her off the cliff etc. etc. As for the birth certificate, only right wing blogs and some idiot politicians pushed it. Yeah, I tired of it quickly also. You can bet if Obama was born overseas, the FBI, our intel agencies and a bunch more would have stepped in quickly and put the matter to rest. Those agencies wouldn't allow anyone born outside this country to run or to get far before they stepped in. Benghazi, covert operation gone bad. The video and Arab Spring seemed to make an excellent cover story. At least that is what I believe. I don't hold anyone responsible, not all covert operations go according to plan and not all succeed.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Republicans scramble to ease concerns about Obamacare replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    The wild arse claim is that Repubs want to kill 22,000,000 Americans. Neither you nor I know what they are going to replace it with, but replacing it they will have to do, going backwards is no longer an option for either side. You may have issues with our Republican brothers and sisters, but I do not, they are not the ogres some want to make them out to be, they are our neighbors, family, and friends and fellow citizens and to say they want to kill millions of Americans is just dishonest. ACA was flawed and was so from day 1, some say fix it, but I cannot see how that can be done since the government cannot control what deductibles insurance companies set for their plans meaning many of those plans are nearly useless, because without the huge federal subsidies those plans are unaffordable by most, and without a mandate to force people to buy insurance the plan is cannot be sustained. In the long run I see no alternative to going to a single-payer plan such as they have in every other western Nation and most of the rest of the civilized world, I just hope that we are smart enough to set up something that takes the good points of those plans and throws out the bad. Oh, we may try a bandaide and/or other alternatives but in the end I think we will be forced to follow the worlds lead if we really want to address the issue, we just have to go through our kicking and screaming phase first. My guess it will be similar to Medicare, where the coverage covers most expenses, but one still needs a supplemental plan to cover the rest or voluntary type procedures, but at this point it is too early to know what we will end up with. Hey, at least the issue is being addressed, and in the long run will have to be dealt with in a way that all Americans can get healthcare coverage if it is not new people will be installed and they will have to keep trying. The problem was not made in a day and it will not be fixed in one, wait and see what comes next.

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    Re: Republicans scramble to ease concerns about Obamacare replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Oh, 45,000 is less than 22 million. Have any sources with a bigger number? The bigger the better.
    Inflation???
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    Re: Republicans scramble to ease concerns about Obamacare replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Can I see the study that shows that 45,000 fewer people are dying every year thanks to Obamacare? Appreciate it.
    My mistake, it was 50,000 deaths saved + $12 billion.SORRY.



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    Re: Republicans scramble to ease concerns about Obamacare replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I get so sick and tired of all the hyperbole. Republicans want to kill 22 million people, that is asinine to the max. Last I heard the plan was repeal and replace. Surely one can do better than just spout a political party's talking points. Personally, I would say stating the Republicans want to kill 22 million people, as if they are sitting down in a dark room planning on to exterminate these people ala Hitler. That doesn't even qualify as an exaggeration.

    It qualifies as political propaganda that Joseph Goebels would be proud of. Both of our major political parties indulge in this sort of thing which is one reason nothing gets done in Washington and leads to the polarization we have today. This is one reason I never have and never will belong to either of our major political parties. Neither are interested in the truth or spout facts, both play on peoples fears for their own political advantage. We have the government we deserve since very few of us will hold our political parties accountable for what they do and say. Most of us, one side or the other, will just buy into the pure political propaganda without thinking just because they belong to that party and want to believe what they say. People become puppets on a string for both political parties.
    At least I didnt Godwin the post...like some.
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    Re: Republicans scramble to ease concerns about Obamacare replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps. Watching C-Span I seen congressmen putting forth this argument. Republicans out to kill your grandma, they will push her off the cliff etc. etc. As for the birth certificate, only right wing blogs and some idiot politicians pushed it. Yeah, I tired of it quickly also. You can bet if Obama was born overseas, the FBI, our intel agencies and a bunch more would have stepped in quickly and put the matter to rest. Those agencies wouldn't allow anyone born outside this country to run or to get far before they stepped in. Benghazi, covert operation gone bad. The video and Arab Spring seemed to make an excellent cover story. At least that is what I believe. I don't hold anyone responsible, not all covert operations go according to plan and not all succeed.
    pero, you perfectly demonstrate how the conservative brain sees what it wants to see. You've not seen a congressman on C span claiming republicans want to "kill granny, push her off a cliff". Your brain conveniently "interpreted" as a "democrats said". It was commercial mocking ryan for wanting to cut medicare. Here watch it yourself

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnE83A1Z4U

    A commercial satirizing republican cuts. And a rather funny one at that. Anyhoo, we were not discussing that you didn't believe the vile and disgusting lies from the right that large number of conservatives did believe. We were talking about your lack of outrage concerning the vile and disgusting lies from the right that large number of conservatives did believe. Your "oh yea, what about this and I didn't believe it and something something Arab spring" was nothing but a deflection from my post.
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    Re: Republicans scramble to ease concerns about Obamacare replacement

    they'll replace it with some ****ty HSA system with so much fine print that people will get kicked off of it because they screwed up some paperwork technicality. not quite as good at the safe auto plans provided by the ACA, and definitely not a first world health care distribution solution, but that's not really the intention anyway.

    i'm curious to see what they'll do with the preexisting condition protections and the right to stay on your parents' insurance until age 26. those are massively popular provisions, and expensive to the health insurance industry. i wonder if those parts of the ACA will be outright revoked or at least neutered. there have to be a lot of salivating lobbyists smelling blood in the water and preparing to strike while the iron's hot.

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    Re: Republicans scramble to ease concerns about Obamacare replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    pero, you perfectly demonstrate how the conservative brain sees what it wants to see. You've not seen a congressman on C span claiming republicans want to "kill granny, push her off a cliff". Your brain conveniently "interpreted" as a "democrats said". It was commercial mocking ryan for wanting to cut medicare. Here watch it yourself

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnE83A1Z4U

    A commercial satirizing republican cuts. And a rather funny one at that. Anyhoo, we were not discussing that you didn't believe the vile and disgusting lies from the right that large number of conservatives did believe. We were talking about your lack of outrage concerning the vile and disgusting lies from the right that large number of conservatives did believe. Your "oh yea, what about this and I didn't believe it and something something Arab spring" was nothing but a deflection from my post.
    It was a Democratic congressman from Florida.
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    Re: Republicans scramble to ease concerns about Obamacare replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'd be interested to see the Republican plan to kill 22 million Americans. How would they accomplish that? Firing squad, gas chambers, mass starvation? Sounds so ominous. How do you have this fascinating inside scoop?
    The Republican Death Panels. They will decide who and who does not get treatment.

    Leading to millions of deaths from infected paper cuts that would have been treated under Obama care
    Conservatives believe the government is incompetent, and seek to elect people who will prove it
    Ignorance is Bliss Bliss is the same as happiness US Christian conservatives are the happiest in the US according to studies Do you see a connection?

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    Re: Republicans scramble to ease concerns about Obamacare replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It was a Democratic congressman from Florida.
    well lets put the video to the test shall we

    Is the message totally asinine and baseless? borderline, it was satire
    Are multiple media outlets pushing that message? No
    Are members of congress pushing that message? no, you said "a" congressman
    Are large number of people repeating that message as if its fact? No

    so again, you are not outraged at the Death panels, birth certificates and Benghazi stand down lies but are outraged at "a" poster and "a" congressman.
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