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Russian hacking claims: US spy chief promises Putin motive - BBC News


The US intelligence chief has promised to explain why Russia allegedly meddled in the US presidential election.

Director of National Intelligence General James Clapper said Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the hack of Democratic Party emails, and the motive will be revealed next week.

But Mr Clapper stopped short of saying it was "an act of war".

Russia has denied involvement but the US has announced sanctions against Russian officials.

A report on foreign meddling in US elections was given to President Barack Obama on Thursday.


President-elect Donald Trump is to be briefed on the report on Friday and the unclassified version will be made public next week.



Should be interesting to hear what they have to say.
 
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Higgins86 said:
Russian hacking claims: US spy chief promises Putin motive - BBC News


The US intelligence chief has promised to explain why Russia allegedly meddled in the US presidential election.

Director of National Intelligence General James Clapper said Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the hack of Democratic Party emails, and the motive will be revealed next week.

But Mr Clapper stopped short of saying it was "an act of war".

Russia has denied involvement but the US has announced sanctions against Russian officials.

A report on foreign meddling in US elections was given to President Barack Obama on Thursday.


President-elect Donald Trump is to be briefed on the report on Friday and the unclassified version will be made public next week.



Should be interesting to hear what they have to say.
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I agree. Interesting. Since they've yet to prove it was the Russians int he first place, or have those 17 US intel agencies all presented their evidence and theories to the appropriate congressional oversight committee? Ahh, thought not.
 
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The US Intelligence agencies have "high confidence" that the Russians were responsible.

"High confidence" is the highest level on the analytic confidence meter.....

In an effort to apply more rigorous standards to National Intelligence Estimates, the National Intelligence Council includes explanations of the three levels of analytic confidence made in estimative statements.[1]

High confidence generally indicates judgments based on high-quality information, and/or the nature of the issue makes it possible to render a solid judgment. However, high confidence judgments still carry a risk of being wrong.[1]

Moderate confidence generally means credibly sourced and plausible information, but not of sufficient quality or corroboration to warrant a higher level of confidence.[1]

Low confidence generally means questionable or implausible information was used, the information is too fragmented or poorly corroborated to make solid analytic inferences, or significant concerns or problems with sources existed.[1]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_confidence
 
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The Russians have hacked and will hack again. So will China, North Korea, and the US. No evidence they did anything to change the outcome of the elections. No evidence that if they did want to influence the outcome of the elections that they were successful. Since Russia has hacked numerous times before in the past, why didn't the Obama administration do something to stop the hacking?
 
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Moderate Right said:
The Russians have hacked and will hack again. So will China, North Korea, and the US. No evidence they did anything to change the outcome of the elections. No evidence that if they did want to influence the outcome of the elections that they were successful. Since Russia has hacked numerous times before in the past, why didn't the Obama administration do something to stop the hacking?
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Discussions about the DNC hacked emails was all over the media and internet...for months. How could it not effect the outcome of the election? The timing of the leaks were evidence enough.
 
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Moot said:
Discussions about the DNC hacked emails was all over the media and internet...for months. How could it not effect the outcome of the election? The timing of the leaks were evidence enough.
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Prove it. Prove it had nothing to do with blue and battleground states with job losses not being happy with what Hillary had to offer. Your only evidence is your opinion of, "how could it not"?
 
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Moderate Right said:
Prove it. Prove it had nothing to do with blue and battleground states with job losses not being happy with what Hillary had to offer. Your only evidence is your opinion of, "how could it not"?
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I think that in a situation like this intent becomes really important. Obviously nobody can claim certainty on how much this affected the election, but if it was intended to affect the election that should be good enough reason to take it seriously.
 
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Moot said:
Discussions about the DNC hacked emails was all over the media and internet...for months. How could it not effect the outcome of the election? The timing of the leaks were evidence enough.
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The Russians did not cause Hillary to lose the election!

The one person that influenced the election was the candidate herself-Crooked Hillary.


Did the Russians/Fake News set up the Clinton foundation?

Did the Russians/Fake News set up a unauthorized server?

Did the Russians/Fake News place highly classified material on a unclassified server?

Did the Russians/Fake News pick a candidate for the democratic party that was under a active criminal FBI investigation?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary not to have a decent economic message for the rust belt?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary to slime half of the country? Basket of deplorable's!

Did the Russians/FakeNews force the Clinton campaign to rig the primary against Sanders?

Did the Russians?FakeNews tell the campaign to act like they won the election before they actually did? (arrogant, condescending, we are better than you)

So the left is so traumatized they will say anything or do anything to try to make sense of the loss.

The Russian/Fake News excuse is just the latest. So once this plays out another excuse will pop up!
 
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MrPeanut said:
I think that in a situation like this intent becomes really important. Obviously nobody can claim certainty on how much this affected the election, but if it was intended to affect the election that should be good enough reason to take it seriously.
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The thing is, Russia has hacked the US numerous times over many years. To the best of my knowledge, none of them have been with good motives. If we want them to stop hacking us then we need to stop them from hacking us and not just letting it happen and then whine about it after the fact.
 
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Moderate Right said:
The thing is, Russia has hacked the US numerous times over many years. To the best of my knowledge, none of them have been with good motives. If we want them to stop hacking us then we need to stop them from hacking us and not just letting it happen and then whine about it after the fact.
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I don't see a lot of whining about it going on right now. It seems like there is a consensus among U.S. intelligence agencies, and we have seen Obama already take a first action. The only whining I see is Trump supporters pretending like Democrats are only bringing up this issue because in some way it makes Trump look bad. I've never seen so many people accept Putin's word over U.S. intelligence. It's absolutely mind boggling to me.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Prove it. Prove it had nothing to do with blue and battleground states with job losses not being happy with what Hillary had to offer. Your only evidence is your opinion of, "how could it not"?
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So what you are trying to say is that the release of the emails did not matter to anyone who voted?

The argument that you are using is not without the caveat of proof as well. You would need to prove that the emails did not influence voters and that jobs outweighed any other motives for voting for Trump. Of course it would be a failed case since it seems a lot of Trump supporters voted for him because they wanted to stick it to the establishment politicians in Washington. I concede though that the emails alone did not get Trump elected, it was a combination of several factors. But I think that the emails were enough to break the camels back. Remember that Hillary was bad prospect for president to start with, Trumps strategy was to make that obvious. The emails greatly helped to not only make Hillary look worse but the DNC as well. And it would not be hard to quote Trump using the emails as a tool in is efforts to get elected over and over again. The hacked leaks influenced Trump, which is undeniable:

“These WikiLeaks emails confirm what those of us here today have known all along: Hillary Clinton is the vessel for a corrupt global establishment that is raiding our country and surrendering our sovereignty,” Trump
 
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Moderate Right said:
Prove it. Prove it had nothing to do with blue and battleground states with job losses not being happy with what Hillary had to offer. Your only evidence is your opinion of, "how could it not"?
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Because of the hacking and email leaks the media and the public turned against the DNC and forced the chairwoman to resign. And now you're going to try and pretend that didn't have any effect on the election? Really? :roll:
 
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Common Sense 1 said:
The Russians did not cause Hillary to lose the election!

The one person that influenced the election was the candidate herself-Crooked Hillary.


Did the Russians/Fake News set up the Clinton foundation?

Did the Russians/Fake News set up a unauthorized server?

Did the Russians/Fake News place highly classified material on a unclassified server?

Did the Russians/Fake News pick a candidate for the democratic party that was under a active criminal FBI investigation?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary not to have a decent economic message for the rust belt?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary to slime half of the country? Basket of deplorable's!

Did the Russians/FakeNews force the Clinton campaign to rig the primary against Sanders?

Did the Russians?FakeNews tell the campaign to act like they won the election before they actually did? (arrogant, condescending, we are better than you)

So the left is so traumatized they will say anything or do anything to try to make sense of the loss.

The Russian/Fake News excuse is just the latest. So once this plays out another excuse will pop up!
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lol how many of those things did you learn from the hacked emails? You have been influenced by those hacked emails. You just showed us that.
 
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Common Sense 1 said:
The Russians did not cause Hillary to lose the election!

The one person that influenced the election was the candidate herself-Crooked Hillary.


Did the Russians/Fake News set up the Clinton foundation?

Did the Russians/Fake News set up a unauthorized server?

Did the Russians/Fake News place highly classified material on a unclassified server?

Did the Russians/Fake News pick a candidate for the democratic party that was under a active criminal FBI investigation?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary not to have a decent economic message for the rust belt?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary to slime half of the country? Basket of deplorable's!

Did the Russians/FakeNews force the Clinton campaign to rig the primary against Sanders?

Did the Russians?FakeNews tell the campaign to act like they won the election before they actually did? (arrogant, condescending, we are better than you)

So the left is so traumatized they will say anything or do anything to try to make sense of the loss.

The Russian/Fake News excuse is just the latest. So once this plays out another excuse will pop up!
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Speaking of fake news...where did you read all that nonsense?

I'm sure glad that the Senate is taking this issue about the Russians seriously...even if you aren't. Tomorrow, Trump will get briefed on the intelligence....and next week it will be released to the public. So you better bone up... because that's what we'll be discussing for at least the next year or so.
 
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Moderate Right said:
The Russians have hacked and will hack again. So will China, North Korea, and the US. No evidence they did anything to change the outcome of the elections.
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Isn't there a poster on here who's signature is "I voted for Trump. Thanks Wikileaks." Is that some kind of weird joke or is it consistent with very sound logic.
 
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MrPeanut said:
I don't see a lot of whining about it going on right now. It seems like there is a consensus among U.S. intelligence agencies, and we have seen Obama already take a first action. The only whining I see is Trump supporters pretending like Democrats are only bringing up this issue because in some way it makes Trump look bad. I've never seen so many people accept Putin's word over U.S. intelligence. It's absolutely mind boggling to me.
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But Russia has hacked us numerous times and we never did anything about it except to tell them to stop. Do we also tell China and North Korea to stop? Is that really our game plan? At least Trump is smart enough to talk about bringing back pen and paper. Maybe we could use disappearing ink. Carrier pigeons are another possibility. Just letting these people hack is stupid.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
lol how many of those things did you learn from the hacked emails? You have been influenced by those hacked emails. You just showed us that.
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The Dems have lost over a thousand seats since 2010 and the House and the Senate

Thats Putins fault, right ??
 
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Fenton said:
Gotta push that narrative, and hopefully people will forget the Democrats have lost over a 1000 seats since 2010 and are a shell of a political party thanks to Obama
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Hey fenton... let me help you with the topic:

Russian hacking claims: US spy chief promises Putin motive​

There ya go. Gloat trolling is only a sign that you cannot handle the topic. My post was on topic. Your's not so much.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
So what you are trying to say is that the release of the emails did not matter to anyone who voted?

The argument that you are using is not without the caveat of proof as well. You would need to prove that the emails did not influence voters and that jobs outweighed any other motives for voting for Trump. Of course it would be a failed case since it seems a lot of Trump supporters voted for him because they wanted to stick it to the establishment politicians in Washington. I concede though that the emails alone did not get Trump elected, it was a combination of several factors. But I think that the emails were enough to break the camels back. Remember that Hillary was bad prospect for president to start with, Trumps strategy was to make that obvious. The emails greatly helped to not only make Hillary look worse but the DNC as well. And it would not be hard to quote Trump using the emails as a tool in is efforts to get elected over and over again. The hacked leaks influenced Trump, which is undeniable:

“These WikiLeaks emails confirm what those of us here today have known all along: Hillary Clinton is the vessel for a corrupt global establishment that is raiding our country and surrendering our sovereignty,” Trump
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Who would it have mattered to? Are there any stats, polls, etc of people who changed their vote from Hillary to Trump due to the hacking? Does Hillary & Co not have any responsibility at all for being lying, dishonest crooks in the first place? Many on the left claim there wasn't anything damaging in the hacked emails and then turn around and claim that Russia was trying to influence the election. With what? There was no damaging information in the hacks. Which way is it?
 
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Moderate Right said:
Prove it. Prove it had nothing to do with blue and battleground states with job losses not being happy with what Hillary had to offer. Your only evidence is your opinion of, "how could it not"?
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If the DNC wasn't corrupt and Hillary so bad, the leaks should have been positives "Hey look, we told you were were transparent, so what's the big deal?"
 
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Renae said:
If the DNC wasn't corrupt and Hillary so bad, the leaks should have been positives "Hey look, we told you were were transparent, so what's the big deal?"
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At the time the things were leaked, they were nothingburgers. Lots of people here at DP said so.
 
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Moot said:
Because of the hacking and email leaks the media and the public turned against the DNC and forced the chairwoman to resign. And now you're going to try and pretend that didn't have any effect on the election? Really? :roll:
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So, let me get this straight. You are saying that it is OK for Hillary and the DNC to influnce elections but Russia should not?
 
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Moot said:
Because of the hacking and email leaks the media and the public turned against the DNC and forced the chairwoman to resign. And now you're going to try and pretend that didn't have any effect on the election? Really? :roll:
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Tough to argue that the confirmation of lies, deceit, fraud, and collusion with the MSM, didn't have an impact on the election.

I think taking that confirmation of fraud, lies, distortion, and election manipulation, and combining it with Hillary's ignoring everyday working people, and her insane insult to 10's of millions of voters by calling them irredeemably deplorable and the vote for Hillary was negatively influenced on a number of fronts.

How much the confirmation of fraud, deceit, and collusion contained in the emails contributed to her defeat will probably always be hard to quantify. No question it's influence was there though.

Of course some people are rather glad such confirmation was at least made available, while others would rather have left it a secret.
 
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