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Paul Ryan: GOP will defund Planned Parenthood[W:546]

Hatuey said:
Why not let women decide whether they want to be pregnant or not and set a date on which they have to make up their minds?
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I'm just suggesting that abortion is a side effect and not the root of the problem.

But your question does bring up a valid point and that is what happens with those who change their minds after the fact. I'm guessing that number is relatively small but would have to be accounted for.
 
Top Cat said:
Well yes Tres it is.

What happens to those babies? No one on the right wants to talk about that.
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I have no idea what happens to the babies. Is this one of those "Think of the children!" moments? I don't engage in emotional rhetoric when talking about tax dollars.
 
tres borrachos said:
So people have abortions...because they want to keep the babies?
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Please demonstrate your magical way of determining how responsible a person is just by hearing the words 'they had an abortion'. If you can't, please refrain from calling people irresponsible simply because they had an abortion.

You might as well start calling a woman irresponsible if she gets raped.

You're a lot smarter than this.
 
tres borrachos said:
Abstinence only is dumb. It's also impossible to police. But I would like to see women take a little more responsibility. I spent a few years before I was married making sure I didn't end up pregnant every time i had sex. It's actually not that hard to do.
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You mean that it's not that hard to mitigate.

Condoms are 98% effective. The average risk of pregnancy of a fertile woman over her cycle is around 2-3% per day. That means that wearing a condom, the chance of getting pregnant is around 0.05% or roughly 1 in 2000. The average single person has sex 49 times per year. That means 1 in 40 single women who use protection every time they have sex will become pregnant per year. Throw in 5 years of being single and your chances of avoiding pregnancy with a single form of birth control are roughly 1 in 5. ie you almost certainly know someone who became pregnant from having sex while using protection.
 
Hatuey said:
I'll give you two options, you're either being facetious, or ignorant:

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https://www.scientificamerican.com/...s-are-financing-the-water-crisis-in-the-west/

The US literally pays its farmers to keep producing corn. It also pays to transport water to places to people they wouldn't otherwise get it.
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None of that has anything to do with what I posted about.

Nobody pays for my food, my water, my toothpaste, etc. But me. I don't expect the taxpayers to pay for it. Just like the taxpayers shouldn't pay for everyone's healthcare to "keep us healthy", which is what Moot suggested.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I'm just suggesting that abortion is a side effect and not the root of the problem.But your question does bring up a valid point and that is what happens with those who change their minds after the fact. I'm guessing that number is relatively small but would have to be accounted for.
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But I`m asking you what`s wrong with letting women determine whether they want to be pregnant or not?
 
VanceMack said:
Planned Parenthood CEOs get paid ANNUALLY around 12 million dollars. Planned parenthood contributes 1.2 million in PAC donations.

Does that sound like a 'non-profit' organization in need of federal government tax contributions?
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Why do you feel the need to lie to make your point?

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Mithros said:
Really? You mean that it's not that hard to mitigate.

Condoms are 98% effective. The average risk of pregnancy of a fertile woman over her cycle is around 2-3% per day. That means that wearing a condom, the chance of getting pregnant is around 0.05% or roughly 1 in 2000. The average single person has sex 49 times per year. That means 1 in 40 single women who use protection every time they have sex will become pregnant per year. Throw in 5 years of being single and your chances of avoiding pregnancy with a single form of birth control are roughly 1 in 5. ie you almost certainly know someone who became pregnant from having sex while using protection.
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I didn't say any method was 100% effective, did I?
 
tres borrachos said:
None of that has anything to do with what I posted about.
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Lmao, you really don't understand how subsidies work, do you? Why do you think the US subsidizes that corn you eat and keeps the price artificially cheap?

:lol:
 
Top Cat said:
Who pays for all the babies now that you righties are going to swell the numbers of folks on welfare?
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The people who have them?
 
Hatuey said:
Please demonstrate your magical way of determining how responsible a person is just by hearing the words 'they had an abortion'. If you can't, please refrain from calling people irresponsible simply because they had an abortion.

You might as well start calling a woman irresponsible if she gets raped.

You're a lot smarter than this.
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What on Earth are you going on about? I'm talking about the women whose abortions are paid for by the taxpayers because they decide they don't want to be pregnant. How did you manage to miss that? If you don't want to be pregnant, and you don't take precautions to prevent it, you're irresponsible. This isn't hard.
 
Hatuey said:
Nobody said they had abortion factories. Defunding PP because it supports women who have abortions and guides them to the right places won't work either.

Get real, buddy.
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I'm just pointing out the dishonesty and hypocrisy of those on the left who continuously claim that the federal government doesn't fund abortions and that taxpayer dollars from pro-life individuals are not directed to fund abortions. You all preach that Planned Parenthood through donations and service charges to women getting abortions are the ones who pay the total cost of abortions. Now that the federal government is threatening to remove its funding, suddenly you're claiming that will lead to massive increases in unwanted babies.

Time for you to get real - getting caught in a lie is painful, but you should try to work through it honestly.
 
tres borrachos said:
I have no idea what happens to the babies. Is this one of those "Think of the children!" moments? I don't engage in emotional rhetoric when talking about tax dollars.
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Apparently you do, or you would understand how many tax payer dollars are saved through the termination of unplanned pregnancies.
 
Top Cat said:
I would ask you to substantiate that. But we both know that's not your style.

Planned Parenthood CEO's salary doubles in three years to nearly $1 million
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See...heres the thing. The question is not 'will I' or 'can I' but rather why ****ing bother with people like you? Heres what will happen. I'll post it and rather than simply saying "Oh! Touche" you will twist yourself into some contorted version of why OK...sure...that may be true...but still.... You never simply have the grace to admit when you are wrong. So...why should I post it?

Here...heres a chance for you to start 2017 off with a bang...
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http://www.stopp.org/pdfs/2015/STOPP_AffiliatesCEOs2015.pdf

And BTW...that figure is BEFORE Cecille Richards 3rd annual salary increase taking her to nearly a million dollars was documented.
 
Hatuey said:
Lmao, you really don't understand how subsidies work, do you? Why do you think the US subsidizes that corn you eat and keeps the price artificially cheap?

:lol:
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This is a very strange post. I'm talking about the individual citizens. The ones Moot thinks should get free healthcare coverage, to keep them healthy. Please stop going off on a tangent. I'm not going there with you.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Apparently you do, or you would understand how many tax payer dollars are saved through the termination of unplanned pregnancies.
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Huh? What's with all of the weird posts? I don't want any taxpayer dollars spent on the termination of unplanned pregnancies, whether it's one or 27 billion of them. Taxpayers shouldn't pay for someone's mistake.
 
iguanaman said:
Abortions ARE an important part of women's health concerns and no federal money is used to support them.
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In most cases abortion is a contraceptive choice and does not have anything to do with a woman's health.
 
Trump campaigned supporting the outfit:

"He's not looking for permission. He's going to do what he thinks the American people need to spur economic growth, to create jobs, to put the American worker first," Spicer told David Axelrod on "The Axe Files," a podcast from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN.
"This isn't a guy who has spent the last year and a half asking people for permission to do things," added Spicer. "I think he wants input. He values ideas, opinions, analysis and facts -- and then he makes a decision and he goes with it."
Asked whether Trump would govern with some humility, given that the country is sharply divided and he lost the popular vote by nearly three million votes, Spicer said the President-elect will presume a mandate for the policies on which he ran.
"I think you gotta go forward with the things you campaigned on," Spicer said.
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Sean Spicer: Donald Trump's not looking for permission - CNNPolitics.com
 
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tres borrachos said:
I didn't say any method was 100% effective, did I?
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Of course not. And you're right, abstinence only education is beyond stupid.

But IMO it's important to remember that protection is only adding a few zeros to the equation. We live in a country with hundreds of millions of people. Things that happen to only 1% of us happen to more than 3 million people.
 
tres borrachos said:
Huh? What's with all of the weird posts? I don't want any taxpayer dollars spent on the termination of unplanned pregnancies, whether it's one or 27 billion of them. Taxpayers shouldn't pay for someone's mistake.
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He's saying that the governmental cost of aborting an unplanned pregnancy is lesser than that of subsequently supporting all the extra human beings that result.
 
tres borrachos said:
What on Earth are you going on about? I'm talking about the women whose abortions are paid for by the taxpayers because they decide they don't want to be pregnant. How did you manage to miss that? If you don't want to be pregnant, and you don't take precautions to prevent it, you're irresponsible. This isn't hard.
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For the first bolded part:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment

For the second:

Your statement can essentially become this for any issues regarding women:

If you get raped, you're irresponsible.
If you get stabbed, you're irresponsible.
If you get breast cancer and need healthcare but can't afford it, you're irresponsible.

It's literally a dumb argument that means nothing and never has whether men or women are saying it. I'm asking you again how you determine whether somebody is 'irresponsible' just by hearing the words 'they had an abortion'. You won't say.

It's cute.
 
tres borrachos said:
This is a very strange post. I'm talking about the individual citizens. The ones Moot thinks should get free healthcare coverage, to keep them healthy. Please stop going off on a tangent. I'm not going there with you.
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Another poster literally made the same point and it went over your head. I'm not surprised you find it strange.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Why do you feel the need to lie to make your point?

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I'm sorry. I didnt realize you didnt understand the term Planned Parenthood CEOs

was plural. You PROBABLY also dont know that in addition to the national PP organization, most states have their own unaffiliated chapters with their own CEOs and staffs.

Perhaps prior to accusing others of lying you should try reading a bit about what you are commenting on. This just a common recurring theme with you.
 
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