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Macy's is closing 68 stores, cutting 10,000 jobs

I also prefer shopping online but clothing is one area in which I haven't made the online jump yet. You all really buy your clothes without trying them on first?
 
BrewerBob said:
I also prefer shopping online but clothing is one area in which I haven't made the online jump yet. You all really buy your clothes without trying them on first?
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Limited circumstances, yes, but it's been a process.

Some things like shirts I can try and it's not super critical if I have to take time and return something. Things like underwear and pants I already know which brands I like and what sizes I wear. Jeans I am comfortable buying online because I know what I want. Something a little dressier I have to purchase from a local store because I don't know and I need to try them on.

Even with shirts there are now a couple online retailers that I have come to trust, Duluth Trading Co. for example, and I have no qualms buying from them.

Shoes I still have to buy from a local store.
 
MaggieD said:
It's ironic really. The Sears Catalog had the right idea oh so many years ago.

"We don't need no brick and mortar."
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It's so common with so many companies. They get big because they innovate, like Sears and Montgomery Ward did with catalogs, but then they fail because they get stuck in their mindset and refuse to adapt as times change. In a sense they become victims of their own original creativity.

I wouldn't be surprised if someday Amazon loses out to someone new because Amazon refuses to adapt to whatever comes along that is better than what they do now.
 
radcen said:
It's so common with so many companies. They get big because they innovate, like Sears and Montgomery Ward did with catalogs, but then they fail because they get stuck in their mindset and refuse to adapt as times change. In a sense they become victims of their own original creativity.

I wouldn't be surprised if someday Amazon loses out to someone new because Amazon refuses to adapt to whatever comes along that is better than what they do now.
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Not likely happening anytime soon considering their current strategy, soon all retailers will be using Amazon's services the same way most online sites use their web services (Netflix, CIA, etc):
 
Hatuey said:
Reinoe is a well known Trump supporter who has told people on this forum that cops hate black people, that liberals are out to enslave folks, and now that if you dislike Trump, you deserve to lose your job.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was being paid by RT to post this stuff. Nobody holds these kinds of silly opinions in the real world.
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If I'm saying "Cops hate Black people" how am I a "typical Trump supporter"? Do you think those beliefs align with most Trump supporters? You just can't face the facts that people supported Trump for a variety of reasons and so your only excuse is "paid poster". Let me know when you're ready to discuss the merits of an argument.
 
reinoe said:
If I'm saying "Cops hate Black people" how am I a "typical Trump supporter"?
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I didn't say typical, I said well known. When you start out with straight up lies about what I said, I can't really read past your nonsense.

Whether you think you're typical or not is not my problem. Keep posting nonsense like 10,000 people deserve to lose jobs because of a corporate decision concerning Trump, I'll keep calling you on it.

Don't like it? Better use that handy ignore feature.

:shrug:
 
Hatuey said:
I didn't say typical, I said well known. When you start out with straight up lies about what I said, I can't really read past your nonsense.

Whether you think you're typical or not is not my problem. Keep posting nonsense like 10,000 people deserve to lose jobs because of a corporate decision concerning Trump, I'll keep calling you on it.

Don't like it? Better use that handy ignore feature.

:shrug:
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Macy's deserved to be punished and I'm glad that the silent Trump protests were effective. That 10k people lost their jobs in the process is unfortunate but we don't yet have methods to punish people directly at the top for such things. TBH most likely the decision-makers will be given a golden parachute to boot.
 
reinoe said:
Macy's deserved to be punished
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Make 'Murica Great Again, everyone. Companies deserve to be punished for dissenting and not carrying a current politician's product. I'm glad you dropped your absurd cry-me-a-river lie about being labeled a 'typical' Trump supporter. Did you actually read the post? I bet you did.

That 10k people lost their jobs in the process
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If the punishment is deserved, then it isn't unfortunate that Macy's had to drop 10,000 people. Not if we go by this classic statement of yours:

This is what they deserve for cutting the Trump clothing line.
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You're only digging yourself in deeper with this nonsense. Again, the news report is about 10,000 people losing their jobs. You stated they deserve it for dropping the Trump clothing line. 10,000 people didn't drop Trump's line. Corporate did, corporate isn't losing their jobs. So who deserves to lose their job, huh reinoe?

Double down.
 
reinoe said:
Macy's deserved to be punished and I'm glad that the silent Trump protests were effective. That 10k people lost their jobs in the process is unfortunate but we don't yet have methods to punish people directly at the top for such things. TBH most likely the decision-makers will be given a golden parachute to boot.
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First off, you're clearly trolling... though I agree with the other poster who liked one of your posts, it was very funny, but I digress... but I'm bored so I'll play along.

The notion that a boycott over Trump and some ties and shirts caused such a huge impact that dozens of stores would close and countless people laid-off... in such a short time, no less... is simply laughable. No, Macy's (and Sears/K-Mart) have been struggling for other reasons for years. It's just now coming to a head.
 
radcen said:
First off, you're clearly trolling... though I agree with the other poster who liked one of your posts, it was very funny, but I digress... but I'm bored so I'll play along.

The notion that a boycott over Trump and some ties and shirts caused such a huge impact that dozens of stores would close and countless people laid-off... in such a short time, no less... is simply laughable. No, Macy's (and Sears/K-Mart) have been struggling for other reasons for years. It's just now coming to a head.
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Let's give him all the rope he needs.
 
BrewerBob said:
I also prefer shopping online but clothing is one area in which I haven't made the online jump yet. You all really buy your clothes without trying them on first?
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A few things yes, but mostly no. I agree.
 
BrewerBob said:
I also prefer shopping online but clothing is one area in which I haven't made the online jump yet. You all really buy your clothes without trying them on first?
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no

I hate that...but it is super popular so some are loving it

I am noticing a shift in the ads on TV too....they encourage going on line...now...and they will discount you or coupon you or whatever the hell they do
 
radcen said:
It's so common with so many companies. They get big because they innovate, like Sears and Montgomery Ward did with catalogs, but then they fail because they get stuck in their mindset and refuse to adapt as times change. In a sense they become victims of their own original creativity.
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there may be some truth there but it's more about the bottom line which is profit...it is simply not competitive, so the consumer has to absorb the price

that is also why they got big...buying power

a retail store's expenses include: the rent which is per square foot with a kick back percentage of the profit to the mall, you have fancy racking, fancy shelving, you have to create a certain ambiance, the hydro, warehouse receivers, merchandisers, sales assistants, department managers, store managers, district managers, etc.

a retail warehouse...(buy your warehouses) then you need drivers, warehouse stockers, pickers and wrappers, a mailing department and management....

they have cut down on a ton of expenses, prices get somewhat passed on to the consumer enough to make the savings worth the hassle of waiting for arrivals
 
HenryChinaski said:
What's your beef? Macy's still sells clothing manufactured by Indonesian slaves.
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As does Amazon and every other retailer.

MaggieD said:
So unfortunate. This happens so often right after a Christmas. Sad.

im thinking I did 90% of my shopping on Amazon and other online retailers. Just so darned easy.
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This may be the death knell for the box stores. I think less stores would be beneficial and make going to a box store more rewarding (maybe rewarding is not the right word?), but I think these brands need to coordinate with Amazon and online retailers instead of continuing to compete.

MaggieD said:
It's ironic really. The Sears Catalog had the right idea oh so many years ago.

"We don't need no brick and mortar."
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Exactly so - I have a feeling that is where they are going to go after they restructure, if they have the capital to do so. I still have a catalog from the 1930's which was the old version of Amazon today.

Fletch said:
Its likely to effect more people than that, however. Closing a Macys that is an anchor store in a mall could very well be the death knell for the entire mall.
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That may not be a bad thing. Malls in my view, unless they are high end, turn into dumpster fires after a decade or so.... once the money moves away or the economic view of the surrounding area changes, the malls get to be dangerous places to go. One by me was going to put 260 million into a revitalization but the surrounding community over the past 30 years has gone from upper middle class, to lower middle class at best and the stores just can't attract the traffic. The company working on the revitalization has balked.... they'll probably now bulldoze the whole place and put in either a strip mall, or medical professional buildings.
 
Erod said:
Have you been to a mall lately? It's like walking through Compton.

And yes, Amazon is killing the on-site retail industry.
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Too many people of color for your liking?
 
Ockham said:
As does Amazon and every other retailer.
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True, however Amazon does sell clothing that is not produced from slave labor. 80% of what I wear is made either in the US or Europe by reputable manufactures with ethical standards.
 
Erod said:
Have you been to a mall lately? It's like walking through Compton.

And yes, Amazon is killing the on-site retail industry.
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Yes, I was just at the mall last weekend and no, it wasn't like walking through Compton. It was like walking through a mall.
 
_Sal said:
there may be some truth there but it's more about the bottom line which is profit...it is simply not competitive, so the consumer has to absorb the price

that is also why they got big...buying power

a retail store's expenses include: the rent which is per square foot with a kick back percentage of the profit to the mall, you have fancy racking, fancy shelving, you have to create a certain ambiance, the hydro, warehouse receivers, merchandisers, sales assistants, department managers, store managers, district managers, etc.

a retail warehouse...(buy your warehouses) then you need drivers, warehouse stockers, pickers and wrappers, a mailing department and management....

they have cut down on a ton of expenses, prices get somewhat passed on to the consumer enough to make the savings worth the hassle of waiting for arrivals
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It's not competitive anymore... which was precisely my point. Times have changed and they failed to adapt.
 
Fletch said:
Its likely to effect more people than that, however. Closing a Macys that is an anchor store in a mall could very well be the death knell for the entire mall.
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Greetings, Fletch. :2wave:

Sadly, it's happening in my area as we speak. Macy's was the anchor for the mall nearest to me, and speculation is that both JC Penney and Sears are next! A loss of 10,000 jobs nationally is not a small thing in anyone's book! If each of those workers were only paid $1.00 a day, to use a ridiculous example, who is going to make up that $10,000 shortfall each month in the future? Higher taxes on the still employed to keep the necessary - for public health reasons - water and sewer departments functioning, not to mention everything else that's necessary? :shock:
 
Erod said:
Have you been to a mall lately? It's like walking through Compton.

And yes, Amazon is killing the on-site retail industry.
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How many times have you found yourself "walking through Compton"?
 
HenryChinaski said:
Macy's is closing 68 stores, cutting 10,000 jobs - Jan. 4, 2017 That's a sad situation for those that are cut, terrible. And it's no doubt that the brick-and-mortar's are feeling the heat from online retailers such as Amazon.
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When Macy's tried to politically assassinate Trump the way they did, I had my wife cut up her Macy's card. She is not into politics, but she has not shopped there ever since. She just shops at other high end retailers. We also got our older kids who are out of the house now, agree to not shop there any more either. I have discouraged as many people as possible from shopping there.
 
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