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EPA To Alaskans is Sub Zero Weather: Stop Burning Wood to Keep Warm

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EPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm

In Jack London’s famous short story, “To Build A Fire,” a man freezes to death because he underestimates the cold in America’s far north and cannot build a proper fire. The unnamed man—a chechaquo, what Alaska natives call newcomers—is accompanied by a wolf-dog that knows the danger of the cold and is wholly indifferent to the fate of the man. “This man did not know cold. Possibly, all the generations of his ancestry had been ignorant of cold, of real cold, of cold 107 degrees below freezing point. But the dog knew; all its ancestry knew, and it had inherited the knowledge.”
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The EPA really does not care if people freeze to death. They are collateral damage for making the planet safe for Democrats. Wood is cheap and available, electric and fossil fuels are expensive. It's common sense.
 
chuckiechan said:
EPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm



The EPA really does not care if people freeze to death. They are collateral damage for making the planet safe for Democrats. Wood is cheap and available, electric and fossil fuels are expensive. It's common sense.
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If you went to the original article you would see that it's an ongoing discussion between the citizens, the EPA and the mayor because particulate pollution is a very serious problem in very cold weather. They're looking into subsidies for upgrading people's heating systems.

Or you could just take the easy way out and claim that the EPA wants everybody to freeze to death.
 
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Cardinal said:
If you went to the original article you would see that it's an ongoing discussion between the citizens, the EPA and the mayor because particulate pollution is a very serious problem in very cold weather. They're looking into subsidies for upgrading people's heating system.

Or you could just take the easy way out and claim that the EPA wants everybody to freeze to death.
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That is in town. The EPA reg is state wide, and part of the "sue and settle" racket:
12 states sue EPA over agency's alleged 'sue and settle' tactics | Fox News

The EPA is not "negotiating" with anyone.
 
Cardinal said:
If you went to the original article you would see that it's an ongoing discussion between the citizens, the EPA and the mayor because particulate pollution is a very serious problem in very cold weather. They're looking into subsidies for upgrading people's heating system.

Or you could just take the easy way out and claim that the EPA wants everybody to freeze to death.
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I think burning wood for heat is cheaper for some people than running their heater. As someone who jogs and bicycles for exercise, I'm pretty fed up with the people who use their fireplace in California, when it's 50 degrees outside. Ban that bs ASAP.
 
chuckiechan said:
That is in town. The EPA reg is state wide, and part of the "sue and settle" racket:
12 states sue EPA over agency's alleged 'sue and settle' tactics | Fox News

The EPA is not "negotiating" with anyone.
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I'm aware from the original article that it's difficult to get efficient heating systems (including natural gas) to the more remote and poorer citizens. The clean air act is very important and should be enforced, but it's also understood that Alaska's citizens face unique challenges. It's tempting to remove the complexity by just demonizing one side, but that doesn't really help anybody.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm aware from the original article that it's difficult to get efficient heating systems (including natural gas) to the more remote and poorer citizens. The clean air act is very important and should be enforced, but it's also understood that Alaska's citizens face unique challenges. It's tempting to remove the complexity by just demonizing one side, but that doesn't really help anybody.
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I think you have fallen victim to Utilitarian morality.... and are not grasping the severity of restricting use of traditional heating methods.
 
Cardinal said:
If you went to the original article you would see that it's an ongoing discussion between the citizens, the EPA and the mayor because particulate pollution is a very serious problem in very cold weather. They're looking into subsidies for upgrading people's heating systems.

Or you could just take the easy way out and claim that the EPA wants everybody to freeze to death.
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Upgrading them to what?
No fuel or natural gas.

I wish these people would use the same metrics they demand other people do.
Let's stick these EPA people in Alaska with no fuel or gas and tell them to keep warm.

They would change their stupidity pretty fast.
 
truthatallcost said:
I think burning wood for heat is cheaper for some people than running their heater. As someone who jogs and bicycles for exercise, I'm pretty fed up with the people who use their fireplace in California, when it's 50 degrees outside. Ban that bs ASAP.
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When you live in cold weather climates energy company sky rocket their rates.
My mom's electric bill would triple if she couldn't use her fire place.

Even if it is 50 outside.
 
ludin said:
When you live in cold weather climates energy company sky rocket their rates.
My mom's electric bill would triple if she couldn't use her fire place.

Even if it is 50 outside.
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50 isn't a cold weather climate.

I understand people burning wood in Alaska; its freezing there and hey, there's no shortage of wood. But 50 degree California weather isn't going to kill anyone. There's a great invention called the hoodie.
 
truthatallcost said:
50 isn't a cold weather climate.

I understand people burning wood in Alaska; its freezing there and hey, there's no shortage of wood. But 50 degree California weather isn't going to kill anyone. There's a great invention called the hoodie.
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That is the cool thing about freedom.
To some people 50 is cold.

The cool thing about freedom is you don't get to decide what other people need or don't need.
Or apply arbitrary numbers to thing you don't like.
 
truthatallcost said:
I think burning wood for heat is cheaper for some people than running their heater. As someone who jogs and bicycles for exercise, I'm pretty fed up with the people who use their fireplace in California, when it's 50 degrees outside. Ban that bs ASAP.
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You'll whistle a different tune when you are 65 and arthritic and have trouble swinging that skinny leg over that bike to go riding in the 40 degree rain like the young studs.

"Getting old is a long and dangerous journey. I hope you make it, junior!"

You might get there if some old geezer like me doesn't run your ass into a ditch, LOL.

I <3 my pellet stove with it's little logs.
 
chuckiechan said:
You'll whistle a different tune when you are 65 and arthritic and have trouble swinging that skinny leg over that bike to go riding in the 40 degree rain like the young studs.

"Getting old is a long and dangerous journey. I hope you make it, junior!"

You might get there if some old geezer like me doesn't run your ass into a ditch, LOL.

I <3 my pellet stove with it's little logs.
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I would ban joggers and bicyclists if we have to choose between them and burning wood
 
Cardinal said:
If you went to the original article you would see that it's an ongoing discussion between the citizens, the EPA and the mayor because particulate pollution is a very serious problem in very cold weather. They're looking into subsidies for upgrading people's heating systems.

Or you could just take the easy way out and claim that the EPA wants everybody to freeze to death.
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The EPA has no right to talk about other people's pollution after the 2015 Gold King Mine Waste Water Spill, which no one at the EPA was punished for.

If a corporation had done that, they would've been fined out of existence!
 
chuckiechan said:
You'll whistle a different tune when you are 65 and arthritic and have trouble swinging that skinny leg over that bike to go riding in the 40 degree rain like the young studs.

"Getting old is a long and dangerous journey. I hope you make it, junior!"

You might get there if some old geezer like me doesn't run your ass into a ditch, LOL.

I <3 my pellet stove with it's little logs.
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What about the air quality of the state? California has several of the top 10 cities with bad air quality. Should we force people to breath polluted air because some people run their fireplace too much?
 
Roadvirus said:
The EPA has no right to talk about other people's pollution after the 2015 Gold King Mine Waste Water Spill, which no one at the EPA was punished for.

If a corporation had done that, they would've been fined out of existence!
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A corporation did do that. They bailed on their trash and put it on the taxpayers to clean it up. It may have been mishandled by the EPA but they didn't make that absolute garbage.
 
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truthatallcost said:
What about the air quality of the state? California has several of the top 10 cities with bad air quality. Should we force people to breath polluted air because some people run their fireplace too much?
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Several? I think "vast majority" would be more appropriate. I doubt any of these cities are so polluted primarily because "people run their fireplace too much" - but I guess every little bit helps.
 
truthatallcost said:
What about the air quality of the state? California has several of the top 10 cities with bad air quality. Should we force people to breath polluted air because some people run their fireplace too much?
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What is good for LA is not necessary in Lassen County.
 
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