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AP: Eric Trump Foundation flouts charity standards

Chomsky said:
We were sick of the Clintons playing fast & loose like this, and now I think these guys are going to be worse.

If the foundation is an example of how the Trump bloodline does business, then that DC swamp just got a lot slipperier ...
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It's just more of the same, I don't see how people really thought Trump was going to be this pristine, stand up sort of guy bucking Washington.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yep, it's like the immigration issue. The GOP has had the WH and Congress many times but they never fixed the immigration problem. But ask anyone on the Right and the immigration problem is all the Dems fault!!

Same thing here. This foundation has the Trumps name on it, and if there are loopholes then the times the GOP controlled the WH and Congress they could have closed those loopholes too. But no, it's all Clintons and The DEMS fault that the TRUMPS foundation was dirty.
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The Republicans have not had a majority like the Democrats did in 2009, for decades. Otherwise, Obamacare would have never passed.
 
Napoleon said:
Name these "loopholes" in the law that allow for embezzlement of charitable funds.
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I don't know if they exist or not. Considering the OP doesn't mention a criminal act, I think it is a safe assumption legal means exist.

That is why I asked if there is mention of a crime.
 
Lord of Planar said:
The Republicans have not had a majority like the Democrats did in 2009, for decades. Otherwise, Obamacare would have never passed.
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This isn't about Obamacare. This isn't about having a super majority. They've had majorities in Congress, and the WH fairly recently(IIRC 2001 I think). They did nothing about immigration, nor these loopholes(if there are loopholes).

You're just trying to shift the blame. Your argument that the rich Dems are evil, but if they had a chance the rich Repubs would have stopped these kind of games is desperate.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
This isn't about Obamacare. This isn't about having a super majority. They've had majorities in Congress, and the WH fairly recently(IIRC 2001 I think). They did nothing about immigration, nor these loopholes(if there are loopholes).

You're just trying to shift the blame. Your argument that the rich Dems are evil, but if they had a chance the rich Repubs would have stopped these kind of games is desperate.
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You are clueless.

The senate was split 50:50.
 
danarhea said:
The mission statement of the Eric Trump foundation is to raise money for worthy causes, such as childrens' cancer. But the Foundation just got caught red handed funnelling some of it's donor money to one of Donald Trump's golf courses, and there are other conflicts of interest as well. I'll give Eric Trump credit for dissolving the foundation so that there is no conflict of interest with the Trump administration. But this is yet another example of theft of donor funds for personal use.

News from The Associated Press
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Believe ZERO that the liberal media prints , NOTHING BUT TWISTED NARATIVES . The left wouldn't even make a sound about the Clinton Fraud Foundation with their Salaries , trips , hotels , expenses, or the foreigners dealt all government favors . SO PLEASE !!!
 
Lord of Planar said:
You are clueless.

The senate was split 50:50.
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So again you are saying if the Republicans in Congress tired to get these loopholes(again if there are loopholes) closed only the evil Dems in Congress would vote against the bill? Because we all know the GOP is never, ever beholding to the rich in this country. lol

That sir is clueless, and desperate.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
So again you are saying if the Republicans in Congress tired to get these loopholes(again if there are loopholes) closed only the evil Dems in Congress would vote against the bill? Because we all know the GOP is never, ever beholding to the rich in this country. lol

That sir is clueless, and desperate.
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It was the democrats complaining about how Trump got rich, running for president etc.

I'm just calling out you hypocrites.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It was the democrats complaining about how Trump got rich, running for president etc.
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Really? 1) I never complained how Trump made his money. I'm from NY, I know exactly how business is done in NYC and it's not always on the up and up..I think he's a conman, but I know doing business in NYC and NJ most businessmen are con men. and 2) I seem to remember Republicans like you complaining about how the Clintons made their money, their speaking costs, their foundation, etc. But now you want to blame the Trumps foundation troubles on Clinton?

That is more sad then hypocritical.
 
washunut said:
Not sure if we can ever really know, but my sense is that he has already lost many millions of dollars. First he says (who really knows) he kicked in about $50 million into the campaign. Next he lost retail outlets like Macys for his cloths line. Apartments in Trump dollar have lost value, people refuse to stay in a Trump branded hotel, etc.


I agree I don't think he expected to win. Rather he was more like Perot. An outlandish candidate who talked about the dangers of NAFTA,ironically against the first Clinton. Doing it the fragmented Republican party against a weak opponent made victory possible.

Thus here we are.
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I think that a good assessment, and yeah the Perot-Clinton analogy is a good one. Except receiving the Clinton last name is not the same as having Clinton genetics! :mrgreen:

And as you said, "thus".
 
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Ikari said:
It's just more of the same, I don't see how people really thought Trump was going to be this pristine, stand up sort of guy bucking Washington.
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Straight-up, the guy I thought I saw having the most integrity was Bernie.
 
Chomsky said:
Straight-up, the guy I thought I saw having the most integrity was Bernie.
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Bernie, I still contend, would have beaten Trump. I did like him more than Clinton and Trump, he did have a political ideology. But he sold it out for Party in the end. Republocrat behavior, everything for Party. He and Clinton are quite different and I think that only in the modern era could Hillary have been called a "liberal". She was in fact, a status quo, corporate Republocrat.
 
I'm going to have to pop open a can of Billy Beer and read that there article.
 
Chomsky said:
Straight-up, the guy I thought I saw having the most integrity was Bernie.
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Better than Kasich? At least he didn't hat that brittle feel of the ideologue lost in ideology. ;)
 
Ikari said:
Bernie, I still contend, would have beaten Trump. I did like him more than Clinton and Trump, he did have a political ideology. But he sold it out for Party in the end. Republocrat behavior, everything for Party. He and Clinton are quite different and I think that only in the modern era could Hillary have been called a "liberal". She was in fact, a status quo, corporate Republocrat.
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The idea of Bernie was being President was as bad as Trump winning. Those two compete for as bad as Goldwater and McGovern.
 
Ikari said:
Bernie, I still contend, would have beaten Trump. I did like him more than Clinton and Trump, he did have a political ideology. But he sold it out for Party in the end. Republocrat behavior, everything for Party. He and Clinton are quite different and I think that only in the modern era could Hillary have been called a "liberal". She was in fact, a status quo, corporate Republocrat.
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I'd like to think Bernie would've beaten Trump, too.

His populace message would've negated Trump's, and stolen a lot of Trump's thunder. But he was even weaker than Clinton in the African-American vote, so I don't know. He did beaten Clinton handily in MI, though.

But yeah, he sold out in the end. And so, we ended-up with two capitalists trying to convince us they were populists! :doh
 
Chomsky said:
But yeah, he sold out in the end. And so, we ended-up with two capitalists trying to convince us they were populists! :doh
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"Capitalists", only in the sense of Corporate Capitalism, which is not Free Market Capitalism. I would, in fact, just use the word "Corporatist". Which I may or may not have just made up.
 
joG said:
Better than Kasich? At least he didn't hat that brittle feel of the ideologue lost in ideology. ;)
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Right. Forgot about him. But he did lose a bit of my praise as he stayed in attempting to rationalize he technically had a mathematical chance!
 
Ikari said:
"Capitalists", only in the sense of Corporate Capitalism, which is not Free Market Capitalism. I would, in fact, just use the word "Corporatist". Which I may or may not have just made up.
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"Corporatist" was my alternate choice, and probably better.

"Oligarchist" might work too, throwing "Elitist" in for good measure.

And with Trump's Law & Order "Lock 'em Up & Take Away their Citizenship" attitude, eschewing the Constitution, I might hang "Fascist" on him in time.
 
Chomsky said:
"Corporatist" was my alternate choice, and probably better.

"Oligarchist" might work too, throwing "Elitist" in for good measure.

And with Trump's Law & Order "Lock 'em Up & Take Away their Citizenship" attitude, eschewing the Constitution, I might hang "Fascist" on him in time.
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Well it was stated that fascism is better described as the Corporate State.

Still in the sense of taking away citizenship and this and that, I don't think Trump will even attempt it. Trump said a lot of things either to get play in the press or to rile up his base/opponents. He is the Realty TV candidate and he knows how to make the drama. And apparently, that's all that matters anymore.

Trump I see more as the "fox in the henhouse" sort of deal. He filled his cabinet with Bankers and Mega-Corp CEOs, but Bankers and Mega-Corp CEOs were whom the government already pandered to. So in the end, sort of pushing in a similar direction, but we've taken the brakes off. So we're just going to fly towards the Corporate State instead of doing it incrementally as the Republocrats had been attempting.
 
Ikari said:
Well it was stated that fascism is better described as the Corporate State.

Still in the sense of taking away citizenship and this and that, I don't think Trump will even attempt it. Trump said a lot of things either to get play in the press or to rile up his base/opponents. He is the Realty TV candidate and he knows how to make the drama. And apparently, that's all that matters anymore.

Trump I see more as the "fox in the henhouse" sort of deal. He filled his cabinet with Bankers and Mega-Corp CEOs, but Bankers and Mega-Corp CEOs were whom the government already pandered to. So in the end, sort of pushing in a similar direction, but we've taken the brakes off. So we're just going to fly towards the Corporate State instead of doing it incrementally as the Republocrats had been attempting.
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What's funny is the press and the ideologically bereft left wing hang on his every twitter.... Trump plays them like a master fiddle player and they don't even get it. Instead of reacting to Trumps twitters, they should be planning, reflecting and devising how he, a Reality TV personality, won the Presidency. But that is apparently too logical and factual - the left seems to be too involved with their feelings coupled still with denial and identity politics. Just this morning, I've read our lefty posters call trump everything from a misogynist to a racist, nearly all of his cabinet and postings to government jobs as being "homophobes" and "nazi's" as well as a soon to be "fascist", and the man hasn't even been inaugurated yet. It's funny as hell. :2razz:

He's got them dangling on a string but they're too stupid to get it yet.
 
Ockham said:
What's funny is the press and the ideologically bereft left wing hang on his every twitter.... Trump plays them like a master fiddle player and they don't even get it. Instead of reacting to Trumps twitters, they should be planning, reflecting and devising how he, a Reality TV personality, won the Presidency. But that is apparently too logical and factual - the left seems to be too involved with their feelings coupled still with denial and identity politics. Just this morning, I've read our lefty posters call trump everything from a misogynist to a racist, nearly all of his cabinet and postings to government jobs as being "homophobes" and "nazi's" as well as a soon to be "fascist", and the man hasn't even been inaugurated yet. It's funny as hell. :2razz:

He's got them dangling on a string but they're too stupid to get it yet.
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I will say he is master of the deflection. He gets people caught up on the side-show that no one seems to be noticing the Big Top.

And yes, if they want to push through and mitigate the possible damage, they have to admit their failures, learn from them, regroup, plan, and execute the plan intelligently. We'll see if it happens though.
 
joG said:
Better than Kasich? At least he didn't hat that brittle feel of the ideologue lost in ideology. ;)
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Kasich was a hardcore conservtive partisan who hid behind a "oh golly gee folks who needs a hug" pseudo-folksiness. He was a major asshole and he avoided speaking too much because he didn't want to reveal his weakness on policy.

But I hope the Trump family does create a new charity that will work to help those whom are disadvantaged. People deserve to be helped and I hope the Trump family uses their power and influence to do good deeds.
 
Ikari said:
Well it was stated that fascism is better described as the Corporate State.

Still in the sense of taking away citizenship and this and that, I don't think Trump will even attempt it. Trump said a lot of things either to get play in the press or to rile up his base/opponents. He is the Realty TV candidate and he knows how to make the drama. And apparently, that's all that matters anymore.

Trump I see more as the "fox in the henhouse" sort of deal. He filled his cabinet with Bankers and Mega-Corp CEOs, but Bankers and Mega-Corp CEOs were whom the government already pandered to. So in the end, sort of pushing in a similar direction, but we've taken the brakes off. So we're just going to fly towards the Corporate State instead of doing it incrementally as the Republocrats had been attempting.
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To the bolded: Good point.

But there is a wild-card here, Ikari. Trump not very long ago was fairly moderate, wanting things like single-payer healthcare. So we really don't know what's on this guys' mind.

But I will say this: We know what's on the GOP's mind, and Trump picked a cabinet of corporatist sharks. That my friend, makes for some very dangerous possibilities if Trump himself joins in!
 
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