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    Re: Russian Plane Carrying 92 Crashes in Black Sea; 10 Dead Seen

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Playing music does not significantly affect the battle space in any way shape or form. It helps keep the troops happy. That's it. These were non combatants who died. Gloating about their deaths is bad form at best. Them dying will not stop the Syrian Rebels from slowing being ground down.

    It's a simply a tragic loss of human life.
    As I pointed out, emotions and so "gloating " has nothing to do with it. On the other hand, it is either naive, treaturous or hypocritical to be sad of a weakening of our enemies. And to say that the musicians had not value is a remarkable statement considering they were being sent down there at some cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    I found no news of a Russian declaration of war on the United States or commencement of hostilities. Seems you've been taken in by some of that fake news. One would think that with such major news people would, you know, report on it.

    I fail to see how Russian support for Assad is in any way directed at America. We don't have any ports or bases in Syria which were at risk, and the moderate rebels were deeply divide even prior to the air strikes. It certainly doesn't justify gloating about the deaths of a bunch of non combatants.

    The deaths of these musicians will not end the war in Syria or even affect it.
    I really sorry that you are so unacquainted with the goings on in the world or acting as though this were the case, that I can only doubt serious interest on your part or alternatively interpret your statements as malevolent.

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    Re: Russian Plane Carrying 92 Crashes in Black Sea; 10 Dead Seen

    The Tu-154 was manufactured in 1984 and the crash was likely caused by the ageing of the aircraft. The aircraft has been phased out by most companies in recent years but remains integral to the Russian military, which is rather callous about the loss of human lives. Due to budgetary constraints, the Russian military could not afford to replace the ageing aircraft which is now dangerous to fly. Between 1970 and January 2011 there have been 110 serious incidents involving the Tu-154.
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    Re: Russian Plane Carrying 92 Crashes in Black Sea; 10 Dead Seen

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    As I pointed out, emotions and so "gloating " has nothing to do with it. On the other hand, it is either naive, treaturous or hypocritical to be sad of a weakening of our enemies. And to say that the musicians had not value is a remarkable statement considering they were being sent down there at some cost.
    You are clearing gloating over the fact that these people lost their lives.

    Are you seriously saying its treasonous to be sad people died in a plane crash a week before Christmas? Seriously? Because that's bull****.

    And yes, these people were noncombatants with negliable value or effect on the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I really sorry that you are so unacquainted with the goings on in the world or acting as though this were the case, that I can only doubt serious interest on your part or alternatively interpret your statements as malevolent.
    I certainly can and do interpret your statements as malevolent and against common decency.

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    Re: Russian Plane Carrying 92 Crashes in Black Sea; 10 Dead Seen

    It's hard to be particularly mournful. Though, I'll concede that I was far more pleased about the death of the ambassador. This is at least actually tragic, but I still can't help but feel the positive of more loss being inflicted on the Russian state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Sal View Post
    I agree, the good will shown by those men is astounding and will likely never be seen again although compassion does still exist within us we often justify over riding it, but not always
    I think powerful elites have to work hard to try to dampen/negate our ability for empathy. Most of us probably have more in common with those we are forced to fight with than those who send us to fight them
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    Re: Russian Plane Carrying 92 Crashes in Black Sea; 10 Dead Seen

    The Tu-154 is an old, very old, airframe and technology that dates back to the Soviet era in the late 60's through the 80's. They are equivalent on technology to the US Boeing 727-100 series which was retired by FAA orders in the mid to late 1980's. Airframe fatigue is major factor in many crashes of planes of this age. The video that showed a light in the sky could have been an engine separating from the tail due to airframe failure, or any number of other things like a missile or engine coming apart in mid-flight - any of which could have brought the plane down.

    Very sad story. May the passengers and crew rest in peace, and their surviving families and friends have strength to endure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    I think powerful elites have to work hard to try to dampen/negate our ability for empathy. Most of us probably have more in common with those we are forced to fight with than those who send us to fight them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The Tu-154 is an old, very old, airframe and technology that dates back to the Soviet era in the late 60's through the 80's. They are equivalent on technology to the US Boeing 727-100 series which was retired by FAA orders in the mid to late 1980's. Airframe fatigue is major factor in many crashes of planes of this age. The video that showed a light in the sky could have been an engine separating from the tail due to airframe failure, or any number of other things like a missile or engine coming apart in mid-flight - any of which could have brought the plane down.

    Very sad story. May the passengers and crew rest in peace, and their surviving families and friends have strength to endure.
    I don't know if that can be claimed to be too old and worn out, the c-130 has been in the us military since 1954, and is still used today.
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