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Religion Mississippi church member charged in 'Vote Trump' arson

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JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — A Mississippi man with a prior criminal record was arrested Wednesday in the burning of an African-American church that was spray-painted with the words "Vote Trump," and the church's bishop said the man is a member of the congregation.
The state fire marshal said investigators do not believe the fire was politically motivated.
Andrew McClinton, 45, of Leland, Mississippi, is scheduled to make an initial court appearance Thursday in Greenville — the city where Hopewell Missionary Baptist Church was burned and vandalized Nov. 1, a week before the presidential election.
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Hopewell Bishop Clarence Green said McClinton, who is African-American, is a member of the church. Green said he didn't know about the arrest until he was called by The Associated Press.
"This is the first I have heard of it," said Green, who said he was attending to other church duties and didn't have time for a longer interview.
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"We do not believe it was politically motivated. There may have been some efforts to make it appear politically motivated," Mississippi Insurance Commissioner Mike Chaney, who is also the fire marshal, told AP.
Mississippi Department of Corrections records show McClinton was sentenced in 1991 to three years' probation for a grand larceny conviction in Washington County, where Greenville is the county seat. His probation was revoked in 1992 for receiving stolen property in Greenville, said Department of Corrections spokeswoman Grace Simmons Fisher.
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https://apnews.com/4e14f73be8df4caf...i-church-member-charged-in-'Vote-Trump'-arson

Check this out. I remember how many people automatically blamed Trump backers for this. I hope they put this arson away for a long time. If they find the Bishop was involved he goes to prison for a long time also.
 
I'm confused. He burned a church down and spraypainted "vote trump" on it but it wasn't politically motivated?
 
Deuce said:
I'm confused. He burned a church down and spraypainted "vote trump" on it but it wasn't politically motivated?
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Ya, these are almost always about arson for insurance fraud or about internal church politics, which is not what they mean by politics here.

I dont see yet which one this was, but we will know very soon.
 
Chillfolks said:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...dalized-vote-trump.html?highlight=church+fire


If anyone would like to review the opinions they had this is the original thread. Some folks need to eat a little crow and apologize for claiming it would be a white guy who committed this crime.
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Here was my first post:

I look at one pic for 3 seconds and I know that the people who did this do not support Trump.

I am also smarter than the average bear.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...d-vandalized-vote-trump-4.html#post1066496714

My second:

Trump is pro christian and pro black, the scene does not make sense if "vote trump" is taken seriously, which to me means that this fire was set for the usual reason, money.

At last report donations to the church in response to the fire sits at $170,000.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...d-vandalized-vote-trump-9.html#post1066499042
 
Grand Mal said:
I don't get it. Is there something in this report that says the guy isn't a Trump supporter?
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Maybe Trump is making headway with minorities. Is the direction you want to go?
 
NonoBadDog said:
Maybe the first African American KKK member in history?
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I haven't been keeping up with this story so I admit in advance I may not have all the facts, but I thought he wrote "Vote Trump" on the side of the church rather than some insult against black people.
 
Cardinal said:
I haven't been keeping up with this story so I admit in advance I may not have all the facts, but I thought he wrote "Vote Trump" on the side of the church rather than some insult against black people.
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I think that was an attempt at misdirection to cover for an insurance scam.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I think that was an attempt at misdirection to cover for an insurance scam.
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I'm only just now getting into this story, so again...not claiming to know anything. But I didn't see anything about an insurance scam in the article. I google a few other news sources and I didn't see anything about insurance scams there either.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm only just now getting into this story, so again...not claiming to know anything. But I didn't see anything about an insurance scam in the article. I google a few other news sources and I didn't see anything about insurance scams there either.
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Let me use this magic thing I have called "google". It's what I do when I want to know something.

Look what I found. It is like ****ing magic:
“There may have been some efforts to make it appear politically motivated,” Mike Chaney, who is the Mississippi insurance commissioner and the state fire marshal, told The Associated Press.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/us/mississippi-church-fire.html?_r=0
 
NonoBadDog said:
Maybe Trump is making headway with minorities. Is the direction you want to go?
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Not going anywhere. You? Does the guy turning out to be black mean he's not a Trump supporter? Is it that cut-and-dried, is your society that polarized?
I doubt it. I don't say he was- hell, if he was a rabid Clinton supporter he might have done the same thing, but he can very well be a Trumpanzee, going by the available information.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Let me use this magic thing I have called "google". It's what I do when I want to know something.

Look what I found. It is like ****ing magic:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/us/mississippi-church-fire.html?_r=0
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Yes, I used control F and typed "insurance" the instant you mentioned possible insurance fraud. I also saw that in a town of 32,100 that he's also the fire marhsal, which is the person who investigates matters of arson. So seeing "Fire Marshal who is also an insurance commissioner" and leaping to "insurance fraud" seems a bit hasty, don't you think?
 
Grand Mal said:
Not going anywhere. You? Does the guy turning out to be black mean he's not a Trump supporter? Is it that cut-and-dried, is your society that polarized?
I doubt it. I don't say he was- hell, if he was a rabid Clinton supporter he might have done the same thing, but he can very well be a Trumpanzee, going by the available information.
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Do you think this was a crime committed to support Trump?
 
Cardinal said:
Yes, I used control F and typed "insurance" the instant you mentioned possible insurance fraud. I also saw that in a town of 32,100 that he's also the fire marhsal, which is the person who investigates matters of arson. So seeing "Fire Marshal who is also an insurance commissioner" and leaping to "insurance fraud" seems a bit hasty, don't you think?
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What else would the insurance commissioner investigate, car theft?

I am proud that I could assist you in using google. So you can use google, You aren't as stupid as your post would seem. The one where you said you didn't know anything. That post.
 
NonoBadDog said:
What else would the insurance commissioner investigate, car theft?

I am proud that I could assist you in using google. So you can use google, You aren't as stupid as your post would seem. The one where you said you didn't know anything. That post.
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He's the fire marshal. Who else would they call to investigate an arson, the town's dentist?
 
Cardinal said:
He's the fire marshal. Who else would they call to investigate an arson, the town's dentist?
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Why would a black Trump supporter burn down a black church and paint "vote Trump" on it? What statement was he trying to make? You must have some kind of logic to your thoughts. Let's hear it.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Do you think this was a crime committed to support Trump?
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No freakin' idea. Doesn't make sense either way, does it.

Option 1- He's a Trump supporter in a Democratic jurisdiction, a member of a church that supports Clinton. He has a criminal history, he gets pissed one night and decides to make a big statement.

Option 2- He's a Clinton supporter in a Trump state. He gets pissed one night and invents a way to discredit the Trump campaign.

Either one is as likely as the other, and either one is because he's a lowlife criminal. But everyone is free to make all the partisan mileage they can out of the lack of information.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Why would a black Trump supporter burn down a black church and paint "vote Trump" on it? What statement was he trying to make? You must have some kind of logic to your thoughts. Let's hear it.
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He's nuts? He set a building on fire and wrote "vote Trump" on it. Whichever direction you choose to approach this from, that's not stable.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Why would a black Trump supporter burn down a black church and paint "vote Trump" on it? What statement was he trying to make? You must have some kind of logic to your thoughts. Let's hear it.
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It was attention seeking or it was being used to sell the burning to insurance investigators and/or online chumps.

If this was church politics it was the former, if it was financial fraud it was the latter.

There some other possibilities but they are not very likely.
 
Grand Mal said:
No freakin' idea. Doesn't make sense either way, does it.

Option 1- He's a Trump supporter in a Democratic jurisdiction, a member of a church that supports Clinton. He has a criminal history, he gets pissed one night and decides to make a big statement.

Option 2- He's a Clinton supporter in a Trump state. He gets pissed one night and invents a way to discredit the Trump campaign.

Either one is as likely as the other, and either one is because he's a lowlife criminal. But everyone is free to make all the partisan mileage they can out of the lack of information.
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Are you saying this black dude is a racist?
 
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