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A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinton

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matchlight said:
It could not become a big problem if most states enacted laws requiring their electors to cast their votes as they had pledged earlier.
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I dont think I like that, if by all those weeks later proof had come out that the election was rigged then I want a way to get to a solution, I dont want SCOTUS to have to do it.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
I dont think I like that, if by all those weeks later proof had come out that the election was rigged then I want a way to get to a solution, I dont want SCOTUS to have to do it.
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I think it's very unlikely anything like that would ever happen in this country. It never has so far. But if it ever did, the solution would not lie with the Supreme Court. It would lie in the impeachment process set out in the Constitution. The American people would not stand for a person being elevated to the presidency through fraud, and would soon remove him.
 
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haymarket said:
I was speaking about electors who asked for and were refused briefings on what the intelligence agencies had on this Russian interference with the election.
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What could anything having to do with the Russians have to do with the electors vote?
 
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haymarket said:
Democratic nastiness is but a tiny bit of GOP outright evil viciousness.
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That's rich coming from the party of slavery and Jim crow.

I don't recall any Republicans EVER sending death threats, harassment, and/or trying to bribe electors to steal an election. So excuse me if I find Democrats playing some sort of moral superiority card rather ridiculous. I am disgusted with both parties but the way the left has acted pretty much insured that I will vote Republican until we get an actual conservative party.
 
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braindrain said:
Just as few people care what your opinion is on the matter.

Question though. If you don't care about other peoples opinions why bother posting about it on the debate sit. Seems kind of silly
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A) You obviously care what I think...or you would not have read/replied to what I typed...DUH.

B) Boredom mostly. But I only don't care what people think when I am right and they are wrong but too stupid/ignorant/biased to see it.
 
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DA60 said:
A) You obviously care what I think...or you would not have read/replied to what I typed...DUH.

B) Boredom mostly. But I only don't care what people think when I am right and they are wrong but too stupid/ignorant/biased to see it.
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If the principle you use in A were to be applied... that would necessarily prove B to be untrue, as you replied to the post...would it not?

:roll:
 
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DA60 said:
What a stupid, STUPID system.

The entire election can mean absolutely nothing if a few dickheads decide to vote for someone else.

I do not even begin to care what ANYONE thinks...the Electoral College is a STUPID system for deciding the POTUS.
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Show me a better system. I am open to anything that makes sense.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
bIf the principle you use in A were to be applied... that would necessarily prove B to be untrue, as you replied to the post...would it not?

:roll:
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I said boredom first....DUH. Were I not bored, I would not answer him...or you.

And, unlike most of you people...I do not come on here to debate. That is a ridiculous waste of time as most people have closed minds on most things.

I come here to teach, learn and kill time.
I just look at a thread that looks interesting and say what I think about it. Then I see the reaction and decidevif I feel like responding or not (usually not). Again, if I am REALLY bored, I might read a couple of posts before I post. Usually not though.

But to come here to debate? Don't make me laugh. Why others do is beyond me. Most people have utterly closed minds...why should I waste my time trying to change them when they cannot be changed?
 
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haymarket said:
Alexander Hamilton must be rolling over in his grave as he justified the EC on the basis of informed special people with special powers protecting our nation against foreign powers and their hand picked candidates interfering in our own election.

Either Hamilton was full of crap of todays GOP electors thought he was. Either way - the sham of the EC is exposed as the GOP electors shirked their duty and gave the middle finger to Hamilton and his reasons for their very existence.
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You got it backwards. The voters gave the finger.

The electors stayed within their party's rules.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Show me a better system. I am open to anything that makes sense.
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Better is a subjective term to each of us.

Better to me is simply the popular vote. The candidate with the most votes is POTUS.
 
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haymarket said:
I was speaking about electors who asked for and were refused briefings on what the intelligence agencies had on this Russian interference with the election.
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The non proven information?

You want electors to change their vote based on "He said - She said" ?
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Show me a better system. I am open to anything that makes sense.
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Each state has a popular vote, who ever wins the most states wins.
 
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jet57 said:
Well, I dunno: this is the right's big day in the sun. Trump and Ryan and Mcconnell and the governors and the corps have all the answers, so it should be snap for them with all the money they control. And let's forget the evangelicals; they have all of your answers too.

My point is, the right is haloing this election as though it's the second coming. A bit more cautious optimism is a better tack at this juncture with all that's going on.
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Well, there is this little issue of...

The GOP is dead!

The GOP will not win another election for 20-30 years.

The polls show Trump is too far behind.

Deplorables.

The DNC treated this election like it was all wrapped up because they thought they had Trump cornered with his garbage. Then everything blew up on Nov. 8 and they refused to believe it.

But still, I have to agree with your last line.

A bit more "cautious optimism" is a better tack at this juncture with all that's going on.
 
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jmotivator said:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/19/us/elections/electoral-college-results.html?_r=0

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That's gonna sting. It's as if Deborah Messing, Martin Sheen and ... uh... BJ Honeycutt have no political clout....

My world is all topsy-turvy.
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Hilary Clinton was irrelevant so their vote did not matter. The electors could vote their political view and it was clear it was a protest vote against her.. was to be expected. What should sting, is that 2 GOP electors refused to vote for their President..

Pathetic attempt to distract from the facts that Trump has next to no mandate and is rolling back on all his promises to the people who voted for him. Once a con man, always a con man.
 
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DA60 said:
I said boredom first....DUH. Were I not bored, I would not answer him...or you.

And, unlike most of you people...I do not come on here to debate. That is a ridiculous waste of time as most people have closed minds on most things.

I come here to teach, learn and kill time.
I just look at a thread that looks interesting and say what I think about it. Then I see the reaction and decidevif I feel like responding or not (usually not). Again, if I am REALLY bored, I might read a couple of posts before I post. Usually not though.

But to come here to debate? Don't make me laugh. Why others do is beyond me. Most people have utterly closed minds...why should I waste my time trying to change them when they cannot be changed?
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Well, that would then disprove your first statement, as others can also reply, just as freely as you, out of boredom. Can't have your cake and eat it, too as they say.

And, despite your protestations to the contrary, you are definition-ally, right there in your very post, debating me now on the point, trying to convince me of your perspective.

I certainly do not disagree with your methods/rationale as to why you post generally, some of those overlap with my own. And some people obviously do not care. Not making any insinuations, but just to point out that it is said that, on average, one out of every 25 people are socio/psychopaths, having no conscience. Some people lack, through no fault of their own particularly, the faculty to care. No reason to doubt that standard, 4 in 100, applicable here on site as well.

And that's just the people who do not have the capacity naturally. Some have trained themselves, no doubt, as well.
 
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haymarket said:
Of course they would. Republicans have proved they can fight dirty and more than willing to bring a automatic weapon to a knife fight while Democrats bring cupcakes and platitudes of decency and working together for the common good.

Until Democrats learn to bring an atomic bomb to the knife fight and treat their political opponents like Rome treated Carthage - they will forever be on the losing end of dirty political fights. Just look at North Carolina this month if you have any doubt about what I am talking about.
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:lamo :lamo :lamo I'm sorry, but that is just freaking hilarious! The Democrats did everything that they could this election season in order to get Hillary elected including rigging the primary and paying people to instigate fights at Trump rallies and other things which are highly suspect to some people. Something which Republican's did not do.

Tell me Haymarket, what exactly did Republican's do this year that amounts to primary election rigging and starting fights at their opponents rallies. Please do tell. Enlighten us all.
 
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haymarket said:
Alexander Hamilton must be rolling over in his grave as he justified the EC on the basis of informed special people with special powers protecting our nation against foreign powers and their hand picked candidates interfering in our own election.

Either Hamilton was full of crap of todays GOP electors thought he was. Either way - the sham of the EC is exposed as the GOP electors shirked their duty and gave the middle finger to Hamilton and his reasons for their very existence.
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Putin didn't: Write the emails, put a server with classified information in her basement, make her avoid blue states that she was polling poorly in, make the news media give Trump a pass through the primaries, make Donna Brazile give Hillary debate questions in advance, make Hillary crow about her plans to destroy the coal industry, force her to restrict her PA visits almost exclusively to Philadelphia, give Hillary numerous prolonged coughing fits and fainting spells, make her campaign on fear rather than hope, pay professional agitators to disrupt campaign events, force a record number of Democrat electors to defect and so on...

Hillary lost because of Hillary.
 
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PeteEU said:
Hilary Clinton was irrelevant so their vote did not matter. The electors could vote their political view and it was clear it was a protest vote against her.. was to be expected. What should sting, is that 2 GOP electors refused to vote for their President..

Pathetic attempt to distract from the facts that Trump has next to no mandate and is rolling back on all his promises to the people who voted for him. Once a con man, always a con man.
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With Democrat glitterati begging Electors to vote against Trump, and an Elector harassment campaign started by Democrats doxxing electors and sending death threats... and 304 electors gave the Democrats a middle finger.

Hillary ended up even more irrelevant. Democrats efforts to beat Trump post-election ended up seeing them lose ground, and showed them to be the hyperirrational demagogues that they are.

The Democrats could have licked their wounds and started wooing the demographic groups they performed so poorly in but chose instead to call them all inbred yokels and blame Russia. You'd think 8 years of losing on every battlefield but the President would have wised them up, but they doubled down on stupid.
 
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jmotivator said:
With Democrat glitterati begging Electors to vote against Trump, and an Elector harassment campaign started by Democrats doxxing electors and sending death threats... and 306 electors gave the Democrats a middle finger.

Hillary ended up even more irrelevant. Democrats efforts to beat Trump post-election ended up seeing them lose ground, and showed them to be the hyperirrational demagogues that they are.

The Democrats could have licked their wounds and started wooing the demographic groups they performed so poorly in but chose instead to call them all inbred yokels and blame Russia. You'd think 8 years of losing on every battlefield but the President would have wised them up, but they doubled down on stupid.
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You sound like Comical Ali justifying Saddam and his regime.. Sad part, technically Saddam was far more legitimate than Trump ever will be.
 
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matchlight said:
I think it's very unlikely anything like that would ever happen in this country. It never has so far. But if it ever did, the solution would not lie with the Supreme Court. It would lie in the impeachment process set out in the Constitution. The American people would not stand for a person being elevated to the presidency through fraud, and would soon remove him.
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America contains so many immigrants from third world countries where there has never been civility that we are not the same country anymore

We are becoming many nations of unassimilated foreigners

Which is just how liberal democrats want it
 
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PeteEU said:
You sound like Comical Ali justifying Saddam and his regime.. Sad part, technically Saddam was far more legitimate than Trump ever will be.
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Your bitter tears are delicious. Please use more hyperbole and teen angst in your next post.
 
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jmotivator said:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/19/us/elections/electoral-college-results.html?_r=0

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That's gonna sting. It's as if Deborah Messing, Martin Sheen and ... uh... BJ Honeycutt have no political clout....

My world is all topsy-turvy.
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The defection of five Clinton electors is as tiny as it is meaningless. What stings, if "stings" is the word, is the prospect of an administration led by a moral and intellectual black hole.
 
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JackA said:
The defection of five Clinton electors is as tiny as it is meaningless. What stings, if "stings" is the word, is the prospect of an administration led by a moral and intellectual black hole.
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Obana is so bad that you could safely bet the rent money that trump will be an improvement
 
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JackA said:
The defection of five Clinton electors is as tiny as it is meaningless. What stings, if "stings" is the word, is the prospect of an administration led by a moral and intellectual black hole.
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In this election season it didn't matter whether it was Trump or Hillary that had won...both are moral black holes. Intellectual black holes though? I wouldn't say that. Like it or not it takes brains to get elected to POTUS. It's not JUST a popularity contest ya know. Not to mention both have a rather impressive resume that has made them millionaires. You can't be stupid and yet gain millions of dollars....unless you win the lottery. And the chances of that not that good.
 
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braindrain said:
Wow. There really is no limit to the amount of mental gymnastics he will do to try and sue your butt hurt is there?
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"Butt hurt"? I saw the film AMERICAN HISTORY X and remember the scene where Ed Norton rejects the White supremacist neo nazi's in prison and his reward is vicious and ugly homosexual rape which renders him unable to walk and puts him in the hospital for a couple of days. Is that the ugly insult you are trying to convey in using an intentionally demeaning and debasing slur like that?
 
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