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Son's broken arm: Bill Huizenga says people must be responsible for own health care

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The father of five offered a personal example of how this shift might play out. He says his youngest son fell and injured his arm. Not sure if it was sprained or broken, he and his wife decided to wait until the next morning to take the 10-year-old to the doctor's office, instead of going to the emergency room that night. The arm was broken."We took every precaution but decided to go in the next morning (because of) the cost difference," Huizenga said. "If he had been more seriously injured, we would have taken him in. ... When it (comes to) those type of things, do you keep your child home from school and take him the next morning to the doctor because of a cold or a flu, versus take him into the emergency room? If you don't have a cost difference, you'll make different decisions."
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For ****s sake what is wrong with this guy? The larger point I think is a good one in that yes some people over utilize the emergency room taking for obvious non-emergencies like a cold or very minor injuries that you could either go to urgent care for or simply wait to get in with your GP. Furthermore, I watch our medical spending due to our coinsurance and deductibles, so I don't understand why others would not as well. That said, who in the hell does not think a broken arm is an emergency? Who let's their kid sweat it out in pain all night until they finally decide to take them in the next morning? A broken limb hurts like hell until its set. Moreover, it requires a hospital visit anyway so you are not saving any money by waiting until the next morning. He basically confessed to child neglect in his terrible example.
 
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A broken arm is not an emergency. Why would you think it is?
 
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Henrin said:
A broken arm is not an emergency. Why would you think it is?
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not until it's your broken arm, at least.
 
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Helix said:
not until it's your broken arm, at least.
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I was not aware that emergencies were a matter that required an understanding of emotion and personal experience with the situation in question.
 
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Henrin said:
I was not aware that emergencies were a matter that required an understanding of emotion and personal experience with the situation in question.
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Broken bones suck.

I have had 12 of them.


Take care of the kid and worry about the bills later!
 
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Henrin said:
A broken arm is not an emergency. Why would you think it is?
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Actually depending on the type of break it very well could be as there would be a high risk of sepsis with some breaks. Moreover, regardless, you don't get a broken limb set by your GP. With a kid it will always require a visit to a hospital that has a pediatric orthopedist.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Broken bones suck.

I have had 12 of them.


Take care of the kid and worry about the bills later!
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I agree, and I don't think there is any way to save money anyway. Regardless of who you take your kid to, they will require the limb to be set at a hospital that has a pediatric orthopedist. So you are going to be out the money regardless.
 
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Henrin said:
Do people die from broken arms or something?
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Once again, there is a risk of sepsis with any unset broken limb.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Once again, there is a risk of sepsis with any unset broken limb.
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Baloney. Most broken bones there is zero risk of sepsis.
 
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Henrin said:
Baloney. Most broken bones there is zero risk of sepsis.
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Yes with most there is not a risk of sepsis. However, unless you are a doctor, you can't make that call yourself. That is why a broken bone is an emergency. Of course, that does not even get into the amount of pain an individual is in until the bone is set.

Do you have kids?
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes with most there is not a risk of sepsis. However, unless you are a doctor, you can't make that call yourself. That is why a broken bone is an emergency. Of course, that does not even get into the amount of pain an individual is in until the bone is set.

Do you have kids?
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Let's hope not
 
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Yes.

We had a Navy Helo crewman who thought he was ok after falling off the bird onto the flight deck of the ship during routine maintenance......about 4-5 feet.

He limped away and nobody gave it a second thought.

He tripped stepping through a knee knocker in a passageway on his way to his berthing and severed a artery.

Died in sickbay 20 minutes later.

A freak incident?

Yeah....
 
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Henrin said:
A broken arm is not an emergency. Why would you think it is?
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Helix said:
not until it's your broken arm, at least.
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You're correct Helix. A person with a broken limb can go in to shock.
 
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Henrin said:
I was not aware that emergencies were a matter that required an understanding of emotion and personal experience with the situation in question.
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um, a broken arm, man? yeah, that's an emergency.
 
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Bob N said:
You're correct Helix. A person with a broken limb can go in to shock.
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well, Frank Underwood's chief of staff managed to power through a broken arm, but that was a fictional tv show. ;)
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Actually depending on the type of break it very well could be as there would be a high risk of sepsis with some breaks. Moreover, regardless, you don't get a broken limb set by your GP. With a kid it will always require a visit to a hospital that has a pediatric orthopedist.
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Complications from a Broken Arm

Uneven growth. Because a child's arm bones are still growing, a fracture in a growth plate — the area where growth occurs near each end of a long bone — can interfere with that bone's normal growth.
Osteoarthritis. Fractures that extend into a joint can cause arthritis there years later.
Stiffness. The immobilization required to heal a fracture in the upper arm bone can sometimes result in painfully limited range of motion of the elbow or shoulder.
Bone infection. If any part of your broken bone protrudes through your skin, it may be exposed to germs that can cause infection. Prompt treatment of this type of fracture is critical.
Nerve or blood vessel injury. If the upper arm bone (humerus) fractures into two or more pieces, the jagged ends may injure nearby nerves and blood vessels. Seek immediate medical attention if you notice any numbness or circulation problems.
Compartment syndrome. Excessive swelling of the injured arm can cut off the blood supply to part of the arm, causing pain and numbness. Typically occurring 24 to 48 hours after the injury, compartment syndrome is a medical emergency that requires surgery. It can also be caused by a too-tight cast.
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Henrin said:
A broken arm is not an emergency. Why would you think it is?
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You do realize that a broken arm is just a layman term for the number of things which go wrong when a bone is snapped in two. Yes? You should seek immediate medical attention as the number of things which could be happening under your skin (or out of it?) can lead to serious complications if not properly treated right?

Why am I explaining these things to a grown up? Our ancestors had broken bones too Henrin. They realized the connection between treating the wound quickly, not treating a wound sometime before modern medicine and modern medicine largely recognized it in the battlefield. So just what in the **** are you talking about a broken bone is not an emergency?

Are you trying to tell us that there is some space in your mind where if a kid of yours broke a bone, you'd play doctor, wait overnight and then take them to the doctor when you felt like it?

Are you sure this is the road you want to take, buddy?
 
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Helix said:
well, Frank Underwood's chief of staff managed to power through a broken arm, but that was a fictional tv show. ;)
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You mean life doesn't work like it does on TV?:2razz:
 
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I don't even get Henrin's position. Let's just look at where it comes from. It comes from his insane belief that the gub'mint has no role in telling good folks like him what do about his health. It's why he opposes Obamacare and why he wants what is probably some free-market connected healthcare system. In short, most of his ideology seems valid but what just throws it off a cliff for most people is its application to issues such as this.

In short, Henrin's position is no different than some weird Southern Evangelical saying that they should be allowed to have their kids play around with snakes, and God'll protect them and that nobody else gets a say. The evangelicals in question, you know the ones I mean the ones who also let their kids go without vaccines and then the kids die.

He's no different than militant vegans who will ignore facts concerning human diet as well as modern medicine just so they can talk about how great it would be if we all ate soy beans.

Henrin is part of an odd shaped group of people who aren't just anti-healthcare, they're practically anti-health itself. As a group of people, we know that a parent's natural instinct is to seek immediate care for a child's illness. Hell, it doesn't even have to be our kids, we've sought to heal members of our groups for thousands of years. The last time we as a society stopped caring about each other's healthcare was when we were hunter gatherers and even then, we at least tried to save the people we could.

However, Henrin doesn't care about any of that because... he's living proof that Gramschi was pretty spot on about the power that some ideas have over people. They end up leading them to really absurd places at times.
 
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Anecdotes make for lousy policy debates.

We dont know if by 'broken' he means hairline crack, stress fracture, or something relatively simple. But I would think a good standard of emergency healthcare would be if you think its broken, go to the ER.

there are some very simple administrative fixes that could have been implemented that would have negated the need for an ACA in the first place. 'Emergency' medical care costs is one of those areas. Frankly...if you have worked in an ER you understand that life in an ER is actually pretty routine with the occasionally exceptional cases. Doctors arent called in in case of emergency...they are already there on staff. Radiology is on staff. Lab is on staff. Calculating actual cost should be as simple as an hourly rate plus supplies.
 
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Bob N said:
You mean life doesn't work like it does on TV?:2razz:
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when it does, that can cut both ways.
 
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VanceMack said:
Anecdotes make for lousy policy debates.

We dont know if by 'broken' he means hairline crack, stress fracture, or something relatively simple. But I would think a good standard of emergency healthcare would be if you think its broken, go to the ER.

there are some very simple administrative fixes that could have been implemented that would have negated the need for an ACA in the first place. 'Emergency' medical care costs is one of those areas. Frankly...if you have worked in an ER you understand that life in an ER is actually pretty routine with the occasionally exceptional cases. Doctors arent called in in case of emergency...they are already there on staff. Radiology is on staff. Lab is on staff. Calculating actual cost should be as simple as an hourly rate plus supplies.
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The ACA has nothing to do with this. It's about denying a kid medical treatment.
 
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