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Your post bears no resemblance to anything I was saying, per usual.
White flag noted.
Your post bears no resemblance to anything I was saying, per usual.
immediately before election day, the polls told us hillary would win. the polling was flawed. doesn't matter who you tell the pollster you prefer if you don't bother to voteThat's not entirely how it happened. Polling was evening out toward a baseline, with Clinton coasting out to a win.
a de minimis impact. this was a not a choice between two similar candidates. those for/opposed to tRump and hillary had made their decision prior to the Comey letter. and his retraction amounted to an exculpation, affirming hillary engaged in no illicit act. the only possible votes impacted were those early ballots that went to tRump instead of hillary during that span until Comey rescinded his interest in the weiner emails ... that number could not have been manyThe Comey letter will forever change the "October Surprise" to "The November Surprise." Its impact was nothing short of devastating. It was the last major narrative to dominate the news right before the election, and there was absolutely zero time for Comey's "Oops nothing there after all" announcement to do anything to correct it.
the Comey inquiry is nothing but an excuse. the reality is hillary was a terrible candidate. she surrounded herself with fools and spent twice as much as the donald only to lose the race. when bill won, "it's the economy, stupid" was the driving force behind his campaigns. hillary all but ignored that essence and instead advanced that tRump was unworthyAnybody trying to minimize the relevance of the Comey letter either has amnesia or they're gaslighting.
Cardinal, you know I'm not debating the issue anymore, but suggesting an article that I thought might interest you - right?
immediately before election day, the polls told us hillary would win. the polling was flawed. doesn't matter who you tell the pollster you prefer if you don't bother to vote
a de minimis impact. this was a not a choice between two similar candidates. those for/opposed to tRump and hillary had made their decision prior to the Comey letter. and his retraction amounted to an exculpation, affirming hillary engaged in no illicit act. the only possible votes impacted were those early ballots that went to tRump instead of hillary during that span until Comey rescinded his interest in the weiner emails ... that number could not have been many
the Comey inquiry is nothing but an excuse. the reality is hillary was a terrible candidate. she surrounded herself with fools and spent twice as much as the donald only to lose the race. when bill won, "it's the economy, stupid" was the driving force behind his campaigns. hillary all but ignored that essence and instead advanced that tRump was unworthy
hillary lost this election because she could not turn out the vote. she turned off Bernie supporters, such that many refused to bother to vote. those are the actual reasons for her loss, despite the spin bill and hillary are attempting to put on it. notice they blame everybody and everything except their candidate and their campaign
It is civil conversation! I hope it wasn't construed as anything other! :cheers:I'm not sure why you're acting so frustrated by this debate since I was under the impression this was quite civil. Is there any message in particular you want me to take away from the article?
Bill Clinton bashes Trump, blames 'angry white men' and Comey for wife's loss | Fox News
Speaking of angry, white men, how are you Bill? Mad bro'?
Yeah, but Trump also was on an upswing from post crotch-grabbing, too.
There's a lot of little and not so little things that added together to cause her loss, but the main one was she was a ****ty-assed candidate with an annoying sense of entitlement. And she ran a lousy unresponsive campaign.
And Romney'd, too!democrats got bob doled and john mccained in 1 person. lol.
And Romney'd, too!
How was the polling flawed?
A 3.6 point loss in two days is the opposite of "de minimis."
easy all polls are have a +-3% margin of error.
any poll or aggregate of polls that show anything near or close to that cannot be
considered anything but a tie.
it isn't until you start getting 4 or 5% away from that margin of error that you see any kind of real trend.
The other thing that was missed was the silent trump vote. there is now an acknowledgment that it did exist.
it went undocumented and unlooked for.
I remember the entire election cycle, and Trump pandered exclusively to the angry white crowd. Also, the Comey letter was splashed across the front of every news site for a week and Clinton lost three points in that time, which is extraordinary change in polling in such a short time. Clinton is absolutely correct.
Bill Clinton bashes Trump, blames 'angry white men' and Comey for wife's loss | Fox News
Speaking of angry, white men, how are you Bill? Mad bro'?
Bill is essentially right about the angry white men part, but it is hard to put a value on the Comey thing. I'm sure it had some effect, but I don't know if it was that dramatic.
Yup. Bill's one of dem angry white men, too! :lol:
Bill Clinton bashes Trump, blames 'angry white men' and Comey for wife's loss | Fox News
Speaking of angry, white men, how are you Bill? Mad bro'?
If there's a party of angry white men (people), it isn't the GOP, it's the Democrat party.
What you're not appreciating is the unique nature of the letter, and I'm not even referring to the timing of it. What makes the letter distinctive is its utter lack of connection to an action or misstep by Clinton. It existed in its own box. Clinton was not connected to Weiner's computer and did nothing to facilitate the investigation into him. Comey just said "Computer. Weiner. Clinton. Email. Investigation." It didn't matter that neither Clinton nor her emails had a scintilla of connection to any of it, but early voting was in full swing in the week before his announcement that it was all lulz, a week during which the question of her corruption was utterly locked in the public's consciousness.
If your article lists the missteps of Clinton, I know them already.
Everyone is aware of the 3% margin of error, and Clinton was until the Comey letter outside of that margin. Nothing you're saying illustrates flawed polling.
What you're not appreciating is the unique nature of the letter, and I'm not even referring to the timing of it. What makes the letter distinctive is its utter lack of connection to an action or misstep by Clinton. It existed in its own box. Clinton was not connected to Weiner's computer and did nothing to facilitate the investigation into him. Comey just said "Computer. Weiner. Clinton. Email. Investigation." It didn't matter that neither Clinton nor her emails had a scintilla of connection to any of it, but early voting was in full swing in the week before his announcement that it was all lulz, a week during which the question of her corruption was utterly locked in the public's consciousness.
If your article lists the missteps of Clinton, I know them already.
sure she was connected to the computer otherwise how did a ton of her emails end up on there?
the fact is she was sending them to her top aide who shared a computer evidently with her husband at the time.
there is no other reasons those emails should exist on that computer.
talk about mishandling of classified data.
Not sure only angry, white males voted for him. I mean, I'm sure there were some who voted for him who were angry, white males, but was that enough to get the win?
Hillary lost because she ran a crap campaign, continually insulted Americans, thought herself unbeatable, etc. She lost because she lost. She was running against Trump, it should have been in the bag, it should have been her EC domination; but she fudged up huge and did so horrible of a job that she lost to Trump. Takes a certain level of incompetence to lose to Trump.
sure because everyone was all over the fact that she had a 4% point lead.
that lead didn't exist. yet that didn't stop the media from throwing it all over the place.
So Bill is upset his wife was unable to anger enough minorities into supporting her?
In the end Least I'm not Trump wasn't as effective as Least I'm not Clinton.