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U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack[W:712]

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chromium said:
You don't need Putin's help to "discredit the American democracy." All you need is Bush, Trump, and the electoral college
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Now that sounds a biased statement.
 
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reinoe said:
Would these be the same officials who said "Saddam Hussein is definitely about to launch a nuclear bomb on an American City"?
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I had missed that quote. Who said it?
 
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joG said:
Now that sounds a biased statement.
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Really even though 70% believe the electoral college should be done away with, i didn't vote for Hillary, and i was too young to vote for Gore
 
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Donald Trump and the new Red Scare

After all, Russia's alleged actions are entirely unsurprising and far from unprecedented. They are not only the kind of thing that Russia has done before, they are the kind of thing that we have done before — including in Russia's neighborhood. Russia's actions may well deserve a response — but the most important response would be to make cyber security a significantly higher priority. They certainly don't merit panic about Russian intentions, or about the fragility of American institutions.
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Meanwhile, those arguing that Russia undermined the integrity of the American electoral system need to take a good look in the mirror. Nothing Russia did or didn't do can come close to the damage that will potentially be done by exaggerating the extent and impact of that influence, much less creating a constitutional crisis in response.

And if Democrats are serious about concerns about murky presidential ties to dubious foreign governments, they might want to think a little harder about the conflicts of the person they nominate next time. Or are some authoritarian petrostates less worrisome than others?
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Donald Trump and the new Red Scare

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chromium said:
You don't need Putin's help to "discredit the American democracy." All you need is Bush, Trump, and the electoral college
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Correction Republic. Try again...

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chromium said:
Really even though 70% believe the electoral college should be done away with, i didn't vote for Hillary, and i was too young to vote for Gore
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The election map shows the founding fathers wisdom in setting up system we have. I suggest you take a look at the map. If you don't understand you may try asking someone that is older and wiser then you as you don't seem to even understand that we live in a republic per your previous post. Cheers

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CMPancake said:
What seems more likely: The CIA risking their credibility by being the front name for a lie that can be disproven by the Russians. Or The Russians had more to gain from having Trump (who has dealt with Russia business wise in the past) than Hilary and actively worked to defame Hilary.
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Quick question: How would the Russians disprove this story? and What could they provide that would convince you?

Also, why isn't the Director of Nation Intelligence on board with this theory?
 
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chromium said:
Really even though 70% believe the electoral college should be done away with, i didn't vote for Hillary, and i was too young to vote for Gore
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Hillary carried the popular vote entirely on her vote lead in New York and LA. She lost the popular vote in the rest of the country. Should we just have New York and LA choose all future presidents?
 
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Also, this whole narrative creates more questions than it attempts to answer:

Are we to believe that Putin, an evil man but not a dumb man, pushed what everyone believed to be the least electable candidate in the RNC primary to run against the no-way-she-can-lose DNC Chosen one? To what end?

Did Putin instruct the American News media to play down the importance of Hillary's Libya disaster, her campaign director's emails, her home brew server and all the other eff ups committed by Hillary so that Hillary could win the DNC primary?

Did Putin pull strings and get the major news outlets to give Trump a free ride and free publicity throughout the RNC primary while attacking his competition?

Did Putin have his thumb on the scale of the DNC primary so that the unbelievably flawed Hillary could win over the less flawed Bernie?

Did Putin trick the Hillary campaign into dumping time and money into states that she could not win and ignoring blue states that she might actually lose?

Did the rust belt states vote Trump based on Hillary's emails, or her position on the coal industry?

Did Michigan vote Trump based on Trump's position on manufacturing jobs leaving the country, or on Hillary's server?

Trump won because he struck all the right notes with enough working class voters in enough swing states to win the Electoral College. Hillary's campaign was arguing that electing Trump would mean the end times which rallied the hyper partisan voters in Los Angeles and New York but was a losing message everywhere else. It won her the popular vote and lost her the election... was that all part of Putin's grand plan too?

Furthermore: The surprising results on election day shouldn't have been all that surprising given that polls were showing that the American public was still as hungry for change in Washington as it was when it elected Barack Obama, and that the electorate wasn't happy with EITHER party... Trump's primary win and campaign was a thumb in the eye to the RNC and a successful run against Washington establishment, Clinton's campaign was the Washington establishment ticket.

THe tell that bad times were coming for Hillary were in the disparity in turnout for campaign events. When 20,000 show up to see Trump in a blue state and 30 show up to see Hillary she should have realized something was wrong... I guess that was also Putin's fault.
 
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chromium said:
Really even though 70% believe the electoral college should be done away with, i didn't vote for Hillary, and i was too young to vote for Gore
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Choosing an optimal political decision making method for a society is not something that most people have ever analysed or even given more than fleeting notice. I would agree that it might be sensible to discuss the implications of changing our electoral process and 70% might be an initial reason to do so. It strongly doubt, however, that it is an indication of, where the optimum lies.
 
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This hacking stuff is getting comical. What did the Hacks show? The corruption of the Democrat party. They did the deeds and we now know about them.
 
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PoS said:
Not exactly news since everybody knew this even before the election began.
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Knew what? That there is incontrovertible proof, via diplomatic sources and human intelligence with direct access to Putin, that he personally was involved in an effort to sway the U.S. presidential election in Trump's favor? It seems as though the only people who knew that were the government officials leaking it to the media while not informing Congress of it.
 
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Casper said:
Nope, they are not longer around.
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Did anyone actually say that in earnest?
 
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jmotivator said:
Also, this whole narrative creates more questions than it attempts to answer:

Are we to believe that Putin, an evil man but not a dumb man, pushed what everyone believed to be the least electable candidate in the RNC primary to run against the no-way-she-can-lose DNC Chosen one? To what end?

Did Putin instruct the American News media to play down the importance of Hillary's Libya disaster, her campaign director's emails, her home brew server and all the other eff ups committed by Hillary so that Hillary could win the DNC primary?

Did Putin pull strings and get the major news outlets to give Trump a free ride and free publicity throughout the RNC primary while attacking his competition?

Did Putin have his thumb on the scale of the DNC primary so that the unbelievably flawed Hillary could win over the less flawed Bernie?

Did Putin trick the Hillary campaign into dumping time and money into states that she could not win and ignoring blue states that she might actually lose?

Did the rust belt states vote Trump based on Hillary's emails, or her position on the coal industry?

Did Michigan vote Trump based on Trump's position on manufacturing jobs leaving the country, or on Hillary's server?

Trump won because he struck all the right notes with enough working class voters in enough swing states to win the Electoral College. Hillary's campaign was arguing that electing Trump would mean the end times which rallied the hyper partisan voters in Los Angeles and New York but was a losing message everywhere else. It won her the popular vote and lost her the election... was that all part of Putin's grand plan too?

Furthermore: The surprising results on election day shouldn't have been all that surprising given that polls were showing that the American public was still as hungry for change in Washington as it was when it elected Barack Obama, and that the electorate wasn't happy with EITHER party... Trump's primary win and campaign was a thumb in the eye to the RNC and a successful run against Washington establishment, Clinton's campaign was the Washington establishment ticket.

THe tell that bad times were coming for Hillary were in the disparity in turnout for campaign events. When 20,000 show up to see Trump in a blue state and 30 show up to see Hillary she should have realized something was wrong... I guess that was also Putin's fault.
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We need Congressional hearings now, the American people deserve the truth. I have already written my Cingressional leaders demanding a special investigator, we need to know who, and more importantly how Putin got his buddy elected. Oh wait, he is a friend, according to the Whiner and Chief.
 
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I notice that the Lefties are making a huge deal out of leaked DNC emails, but thought nothing at all about the leaks of classified data from Hillary's email server.
 
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jmotivator said:
Quick question: How would the Russians disprove this story? and What could they provide that would convince you?
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I really can't think of a way the Russians could disprove the story, considering Russia and the US have been at one another's throats in the cyber-warfare realm since it's inception. There's no reasonable way to believe the Russians were not involved in the DNC hacking.

jmotivator said:
Also, why isn't the Director of Nation Intelligence on board with this theory?
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Beats me, I don't know his motives as to why. But one man's expert opinion doesn't outweigh the 17 intelligence agencies that have their ears to the ground daily dealing with the Russians, Koreans, Chinese, etc.
 
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American said:
I notice that the Lefties are making a huge deal out of leaked DNC emails, but thought nothing at all about the leaks of classified data from Hillary's email server.
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And I notice the Righties pushing back on an investigation of the Russians tampering with our election. And yes, there is enough evidence for a formal Congressiomal investigation, with no delay.
 
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Ahlevah said:
Knew what? That there is incontrovertible proof, via diplomatic sources and human intelligence with direct access to Putin, that he personally was involved in an effort to sway the U.S. presidential election in Trump's favor? It seems as though the only people who knew that were the government officials leaking it to the media while not informing Congress of it.
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That is NOT what they said.

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joG said:
Did anyone actually say that in earnest?
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One should remember that satire and earnest are hard to express in posts without some sort of definer such as an emoji or other method.
 
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A, "high level of confidence", from annonymous sources still isn't proof.
 
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jmotivator said:
Hillary carried the popular vote entirely on her vote lead in New York and LA. She lost the popular vote in the rest of the country. Should we just have New York and LA choose all future presidents?
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Trump carried the electoral vote entirely on his marginal lead in Texas. Should we just have Texas choose all future presidents?

See i can play that selective bull**** just as easily

Listening to you we should just have the uneducated rednecks in rural NY decide the electoral votes for the state. There's a reason almost half the state lives in the city, which is it's better in every way than the white trash areas
 
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I've found the smoking gun - clear photographic evidence:

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"Guys, Let's Go for It!"
 
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yankintx said:
We need Congressional hearings now, the American people deserve the truth. I have already written my Cingressional leaders demanding a special investigator, we need to know who, and more importantly how Putin got his buddy elected. Oh wait, he is a friend, according to the Whiner and Chief.
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You say that like they don't already have the truth. You should demand congressional hearings on Pizzagate while you are at it.

On thing is for certain, if Putin's ultimate goal was to sew seeds of doubt in the US election institutions he couldn't have found a better bunch of patsies than the Democrats.
 
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American said:
I notice that the Lefties are making a huge deal out of leaked DNC emails, but thought nothing at all about the leaks of classified data from Hillary's email server.
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We didn't like Hillary in the first place so there's nothing to get defensive about

Also, classified doesn't mean **** these days. Almost none of it has to do with national security, but protecting the schemes of higher ups - see: Snowden. So there's little to get outraged about solely because it's "classified"

A lot of the hacks were just self destructive. It might have cost her the presidency and it revealed how corrupt politics has become. Her own campaign chairman called her instincts terrible, the foundation's corporate and foreign collusion became clear, VP running mates are nothing but race vote grabbing, her speech to wall street that she has a public and private position on everything, events at the white house are just to reward donors, she gets the questions of interviews with CNN in advance, her husband's aide called their kid (who frequently stumped for her) a worthless meddling brat etc etc.

I mean the Dem CFO told the CEO they should get the media to ask Sanders if he's atheist and the worst you can think of to criticize leftists is some of the emails were classified...Well i can think of much worse from those revelations. Here i thought the holy rollers were in bed with Republicans, but it turns out atheist is a 4 letter word even for the 'liberal' party. Of course you won't see the right wing ever complain that religion intrudes in what's supposed to be a secular government, but what's damning of them is trying to pretend the christians are the persecuted ones
 
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Did Putin personally upload porn onto Anthony Weiner's laptop?

MSNBC says that CIA sources have not yet been able to rule that out.
 
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