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U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack[W:712]

Dittohead not! said:
"Throwing money" is a government solution that doesn't work. Providing opportunity only works when the person given the opportunity is responsible enough to put forth the effort required to take advantage of that opportunity.

And education isn't something that can be given to anyone. It has to be earned. That applies to a secondary education as well as post secondary. So, how is it that it's OK to provide elementary and high school paid for collectively but not OK to provide post secondary the same way when a high school education simply isn't enough to compete in the modern job market?
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Yes, and when the govt. provides for what people want there is no incentive to earn what people want and govt. spending doesn't change human behavior. There are plenty of opportunities to earn scholarships for secondary education or people could do what many of us did in the past, work for that education
 
apdst said:
Bernie Sanders would want the taxpayers to make childcare free.
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Like most liberals/socialists they don't understand that free isn't really free as someone has to pay for it. Most leftist believe that the rich will fund the liberal spending appetite but that never will be the case as there isn't enough money from those evil rich people to ever fund the liberal spending appetite
 
Conservative said:
Like most liberals/socialists they don't understand that free isn't really free as someone has to pay for it. Most leftist believe that the rich will fund the liberal spending appetite but that never will be the case as there isn't enough money from those evil rich people to ever fund the liberal spending appetite
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Heaven forbid that those that have made gains in this century share the load.:roll:
 
Conservative said:
Yes, and when the govt. provides for what people want there is no incentive to earn what people want and govt. spending doesn't change human behavior. There are plenty of opportunities to earn scholarships for secondary education or people could do what many of us did in the past, work for that education
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I did that.

Back in the early '60s, I worked summers at union wages in a sawmill. It was terrible work, boring and dirty, but it paid well. I was able to save enough to get through college without any loans. I wound up with a degree in '64, flat broke but debt free.

I went back to college in '71, earned a master's degree in '73 from Chico State College, now Cal State University, Chico. Costs were $50 per year back then. There was officially no tuition, only "student fees" that were minor.

Kids today should have the same opportunities. College is more important than ever.


Now, fast forward to 2016, think of jobs that college kids can get in the summer, and find one that will pay that much money in today's economy. Is there such a thing? Tuition is lot higher, wages are a lot lower than back then.

Should high school students and/or their parents have to pony up tuition as well?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I did that.

Back in the early '60s, I worked summers at union wages in a sawmill. It was terrible work, boring and dirty, but it paid well. I was able to save enough to get through college without any loans. I wound up with a degree in '64, flat broke but debt free.

I went back to college in '71, earned a master's degree in '73 from Chico State College, now Cal State University, Chico. Costs were $50 per year back then. There was officially no tuition, only "student fees" that were minor.

Kids today should have the same opportunities. College is more important than ever.


Now, fast forward to 2016, think of jobs that college kids can get in the summer, and find one that will pay that much money in today's economy. Is there such a thing? Tuition is lot higher, wages are a lot lower than back then.

Should high school students and/or their parents have to pony up tuition as well?
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College is more expensive than usual too but costs are never addressed. Most companies still offer educational reimbursement programs, mine did and I promoted it having many take me up on that opportunity. In addition there are junior colleges and trade schools which are lower cost alternatives.

So when we give all those free college tuition credits are you now going to make sure that people take meaningful classes and not basket weaving 101
 
Conservative said:
College is more expensive than usual too but costs are never addressed. Most companies still offer educational reimbursement programs, mine did and I promoted it having many take me up on that opportunity. In addition there are junior colleges and trade schools which are lower cost alternatives.

So when we give all those free college tuition credits are you now going to make sure that people take meaningful classes and not basket weaving 101
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The same way we make sure kids don't focus on basket weaving in high school. The ones paying the bill are the ones determining the curriculum.

Want to go to college and come out debt free? OK. We need more computer scientists. We don't need any more political science majors.
 
Conservative said:
Sanders is an admitted socialist so why would you believe anything he says regarding economic issues?
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I believe the subject was Trump. He's not in favor of paying for child care, but he'd compromise by extending tax credits to pay for it. It's not all that different from Sanders' position.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The same way we make sure kids don't focus on basket weaving in high school. The ones paying the bill are the ones determining the curriculum.

Want to go to college and come out debt free? OK. We need more computer scientists. We don't need any more political science majors.
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So the left is going to tell someone else what to major in when they are given that "free" education?
 
Dittohead not! said:
I believe the subject was Trump. He's not in favor of paying for child care, but he'd compromise by extending tax credits to pay for it. It's not all that different from Sanders' position.
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How do people without jobs get a tax credit for education or anything else?
 
Conservative said:
So the left is going to tell someone else what to major in when they are given that "free" education?
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If the left is paying, then the left gets to decide what is studied. If the right is paying, then the right decides. If people in the east pay, if people in the west pay, whoever pays gets to decide.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If the left is paying, then the left gets to decide what is studied. If the right is paying, then the right decides. If people in the east pay, if people in the west pay, whoever pays gets to decide.
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So where does the money come from for that "free" education?
 
Conservative said:
So where does the money come from for that "free" education?
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Why keep repeating the same nonsense?
Nothing is free. I've already said, nothing is free. Maybe you don't believe that, but it's true.

Some things are an individual benefit, and should be paid for individually. Among those things are food, clothing, housing.
Some things are a collective benefit, and should be paid for collectively. Among those things are roads, bridges, education, and hospitals.

It's as simple as that.

If you can find something that is free, please let us know.
 
Re: U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack

Can anyone recommend a decent unbiased biography of Putin? I'm sure there are some good ones out there, but the only one's I've ran across have an agenda... I'd prefer one in English; but I can read Russian (albeit it's been awhile) if there are no translated version(s). Thanks.
 
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