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Top U.S. spy agency has not embraced CIA assessment on Russia hacking - sources

KevinKohler said:
I'm not against the investigation. I'm against making accusations without actual evidence. We've labeled Russia guilty.
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I have seen the articles where multiple security agencies have pointed to this as Russian style hacking. I will believe them. If you are referring to a bunch of people labeling Russia guilty of electing Trump because of these articles I agree they are stupid. I am more concerned with properly handing the situation than what a bunch of random people think or say about it.
 
MrPeanut said:
I'm not disputing that the United States interferes with the elections of other countries. I'm talking about the United States congress and our President elect dragging their feet on investigating a threat to our national security. Yes, guys like Soros and the Koch brothers are different than a foreign nation potentially hacking American systems and having access to whatever data is in those systems. For the record, I'd love those guys to be investigated too, but it seems like people are viewing it as simply an attempt to delegitimize Trump's election when the reality should be taken more seriously.
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First...Trump is not the President so he is in no position to drag his feet on anything. Second...can you honestly look at the history of the democrats, the media, and the DNC over the last 6 months and their constant use of both the media as a weapon but also Russia as a scapegoat to avoid answering for the content of the released emails and say you are at least a little bit skeptical? 3-Can you not look at EVERY democrat action since the election and see their efforts as an attempt to de-ligitimize the Trump election?
 
jmotivator said:
Odd take you got there since my position on this subject is one of skepticism rather than belief that is built of reasonable doubt rather than the opposition blind belief of what amounts to gossip.
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I enjoy your definitive style and laughed when I read that particular post. Can we agree on your brilliance and partisanship? I also want to compliment the subtle humor. Well done sir! God Bless you and those you love!
 
VanceMack said:
You are making definitive statements. Do you have some sort of proof the RNC was hacked?
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Mason66 said:
Since you made the accusation, I am sure you have something to back that up, right?
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I mean it was admitted.

The RNC has repeatedly denied that their information was hacked during the presidential election; that is until GOP Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in September that intel briefings revealed Russian hackers targeted the RNC. McCaul recanted his own admission days later.

“Yes, they have hacked into the Republican National Committee,” McCaul said at the time. “So this is, again, they are not picking sides here I don’t think. They are hacking into both political parties.”

“We’re not sure why they’ve released some documents and not others,” he added.
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There is no publicly available proof that the RNC has been hacked but I think it would be pretty silly to operate on the assumption that it wasn't. The chances it was are pretty high, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if documents were kept as leverage.
 
VanceMack said:
First...Trump is not the President so he is in no position to drag his feet on anything. Second...can you honestly look at the history of the democrats, the media, and the DNC over the last 6 months and their constant use of both the media as a weapon but also Russia as a scapegoat to avoid answering for the content of the released emails and say you are at least a little bit skeptical? 3-Can you not look at EVERY democrat action since the election and see their efforts as an attempt to de-ligitimize the Trump election?
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I don't care about what the Democrats do. All politicians will look for cheap ways to gain points. It comes with the job. When a situation like this exists I think people need to care less about what Democrats or Republicans say, and more about actually investigating the incident. We have Democrats trying to throw Russia under the bus before an investigation, and Republicans ignoring what intelligence agencies are telling them. One of them is stupid rhetoric and another is preventing an investigation into a likely threat to national security. Which one is more important?
 
Trippy Trekker said:
I enjoy your definitive style and laughed when I read that particular post. Can we agree on your brilliance and partisanship? I also want to compliment the subtle humor. Well done sir! God Bless you and those you love!
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I wouldn't agree that I am brilliant but I won't argue with the rest of your sentiment. And you also have a very joyous Christmas.. and whatever else you celebrate in an apolitical fashion. ;)
 
Nilly said:
I mean it was admitted.



There is no publicly available proof that the RNC has been hacked but I think it would be pretty silly to operate on the assumption that it wasn't. The chances it was are pretty high, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if documents were kept as leverage.
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So...there is no proof...gotcha.
 
Nilly said:
I mean it was admitted.



There is no publicly available proof that the RNC has been hacked but I think it would be pretty silly to operate on the assumption that it wasn't. The chances it was are pretty high, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if documents were kept as leverage.
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MickeyW said:
The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday.

While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA's analysis of Russian hacking operations, it has not endorsed their assessment because of a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, said the officials, who declined to be named.
Exclusive: Top U.S. spy agency has not embraced CIA assessment on Russia hacking - sources | Reuters


That highlighted part is the meat of the story!

Certain powers that be are fully intent on attempting to de-legitimize this election and I consider that to be very wrong.
Trump has pissed off a few people and now they are playing "get back!"

The CIA is butt hurt. So are a few Senators with big egos! I think these CIA assertions are misrepresented, and the media in a feverish attempt to bash Trump is jumping on the "kick them in the gonads", bandwagon!
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Bwahahahaha! The lengths people go to deny the obvious!
 
MrPeanut said:
I don't care about what the Democrats do. All politicians will look for cheap ways to gain points. It comes with the job. When a situation like this exists I think people need to care less about what Democrats or Republicans say, and more about actually investigating the incident. We have Democrats trying to throw Russia under the bus before an investigation, and Republicans ignoring what intelligence agencies are telling them. One of them is stupid rhetoric and another is preventing an investigation into a likely threat to national security. Which one is more important?
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At this point? Unless you are trying to undo the results of the election, neither is all that big a deal. Wouldnt you agree? There is certainly no need to rush to judgment. And yet we have people spewing absolutes without the first ****ing clue. And theres a REALLY obvious reason why they are doing so.

An investigation can happen. Should happen. I have no doubt it will happen.
 
jmotivator said:
I wouldn't agree that I am brilliant but I won't argue with the rest of your sentiment. And you also have a very joyous Christmas.. and whatever else you celebrate in an apolitical fashion. ;)
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We have just completed a charming example of bipartisan compromise by agreeing to disagree on your brilliance. May our kind exchange of words continue far beyond the current holiday season!
 
VanceMack said:
At this point? Unless you are trying to undo the results of the election, neither is all that big a deal. Wouldnt you agree? There is certainly no need to rush to judgment. And yet we have people spewing absolutes without the first ****ing clue. And theres a REALLY obvious reason why they are doing so.

An investigation can happen. Should happen. I have no doubt it will happen.
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We agree on the investigation taking place which is the bulk of my whole argument. I just think there are a lot of politicians that are, possibly inadvertently, challenging the credibility of our intelligence agencies in irresponsible ways. It should easily be a bipartisan action to investigate something like this even if there are some Democrats running around yelling about Putin. Pretending like this didn't happen, even if out of spite, is not what's good for the country. The Republicans could make a big move to try to look like the adults in the situation. Instead they are choosing to attempt to discredit intelligence agencies.
 
VanceMack said:
So...there is no proof...gotcha.
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No. I said as much. But there is evidence.

And for what it's worth, in real life there's no such thing as 'proof'. There is only a line at which point you decide that the amount of evidence does constitute proof in your eyes, and that line is subjective.
 
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MrPeanut said:
We agree on the investigation taking place which is the bulk of my whole argument. I just think there are a lot of politicians that are, possibly inadvertently, challenging the credibility of our intelligence agencies in irresponsible ways. It should easily be a bipartisan action to investigate something like this even if there are some Democrats running around yelling about Putin. Pretending like this didn't happen, even if out of spite, is not what's good for the country. The Republicans could make a big move to try to look like the adults in the situation. Instead they are choosing to attempt to discredit intelligence agencies.
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Come now. The democrats in this country were LITERALLY ****ting themselves over the FBI a month and a half ago. Did They suddenly become credible, non-credible....what? The CIA and the entire DOJ has shown themselves to be 'political'. I dont know that there is ANY reason to trust any of them right now. Wouldnt you agree?
 
Nilly said:
No. I said as much. But there is evidence.

And for what it's worth, in real life there's no such thing as 'proof'. There is only a line at which point you decide that the amount of evidence does constitute proof in your eyes, and that line is subjective.
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But it starts with some form of actual definitive evidence and not just a statement of support based around ideology and cause. People that today say we should bob our heads for the CIA were only a month ago seeking to hang the director of the FBI from a tree.
 
Nilly said:
No. I said as much. But there is evidence.

And for what it's worth, in real life there's no such thing as 'proof'. There is only a line at which point you decide that the amount of evidence does constitute proof in your eyes, and that line is subjective.
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There's no evidence, either.
 
apdst said:
There's no evidence, either.
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Certainly none we have seen.

Another poster yesterday was posting "by golly...its TRUE...just look at these articles!" And then I did what he obviously hadnt done...I went and looked at the articles HE cited. "it seems..." "We believe...." "It appears...." "This could be....." "It resembles....." "This is 'Russia style hacking..." (cuz...apparently Russians have a 'style' different than OUR intel agencies that hack the **** out of foreign governments...and apparently US state databases as well)
 
VanceMack said:
Come now. The democrats in this country were LITERALLY ****ting themselves over the FBI a month and a half ago. Did They suddenly become credible, non-credible....what? The CIA and the entire DOJ has shown themselves to be 'political'. I dont know that there is ANY reason to trust any of them right now. Wouldnt you agree?
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Even if you don't trust the FBI or CIA a joint statement was released which included the agreement of the DHS and DNI. The fact is that nearly all of the United States intelligence agencies have pointed towards Russia. Either you can believe that they must have some evidence for releasing these statements, or the entirety of United States intelligence is simple acting politically.
 
VanceMack said:
Certainly none we have seen.

Another poster yesterday was posting "by golly...its TRUE...just look at these articles!" And then I did what he obviously hadnt done...I went and looked at the articles HE cited. "it seems..." "We believe...." "It appears...." "This could be....." "It resembles....." "This is 'Russia style hacking..." (cuz...apparently Russians have a 'style' different than OUR intel agencies that hack the **** out of foreign governments...and apparently US state databases as well)
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"Maybe", is good enough for the Libbos. We all know they don't care about the truth. They only want to manipulate public beliefs with their propaganda.
 
MrPeanut said:
Even if you don't trust the FBI or CIA a joint statement was released which included the agreement of the DHS and DNI. The fact is that nearly all of the United States intelligence agencies have pointed towards Russia. Either you can believe that they must have some evidence for releasing these statements, or the entirety of United States intelligence is simple acting politically.
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Not one single intel operator in The United States government has confirmed that Russia hacked the Democrats.
 
MrPeanut said:
Even if you don't trust the FBI or CIA a joint statement was released which included the agreement of the DHS and DNI. The fact is that nearly all of the United States intelligence agencies have pointed towards Russia. Either you can believe that they must have some evidence for releasing these statements, or the entirety of United States intelligence is simple acting politically.
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And if and when it turns out that they don't, and or didn't? Then what?
 
apdst said:
Not one single intel operator in The United States government has confirmed that Russia hacked the Democrats.
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It's almost like you would need an investigation to confirm it, right?
 
j-mac said:
And if and when it turns out that they don't, and or didn't? Then what?
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Then these agencies have openly abused their positions, and an investigation needs to be done on them to discover the problem.
 
VanceMack said:
But it starts with some form of actual definitive evidence and not just a statement of support based around ideology and cause. People that today say we should bob our heads for the CIA were only a month ago seeking to hang the director of the FBI from a tree.
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It's almost like the FBI and CIA are different organizations. And I might be wrong, but it even seems like each organization is made up of different people... that each can have complex motivations. Crap... how are the single brain cell people going to process this?


Also.. Nice with the not so subtle racist reference.
 
MrPeanut said:
Then these agencies have openly abused their positions, and an investigation needs to be done on them to discover the problem.
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See, I can agree that hacking is wrong, and our cyber security is important, and to that end I say investigate away, but let's not for a second think, or believe that it was wrong to have American's find out the truth behind one of the most corrupt campaigns in history...but I also think that is what you are seeing here is the outing of a politicized intel community....And that has to come out too....Man, Obama really did what he could to bring this country down.
 
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