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Bipartisan Senate Group Calls for Probe of Russian Hacking in US[W:289]

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CMPancake said:
It's Obama's fault the Russians interferring with the presidential election? Is there anything you won't blame Obama for?
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Thanks, Obama!
 
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jmotivator said:
The thing I can't quite contemplate is why Putin would want a regime change when he has been cleaning the clock of Obama and Madame Overcharge.
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You got that right.

This whole Russian thing is smoke and mirrors because the Left can't accept failure or blame.
 
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I'm very torn by this. On the one hand, all the things that were "published" are apparently true and sunshine can be a great disinfectant. I'm not happy with the methods, but I'm unclear how else this information could be made public. While I believe there was hacking, I'm unclear how these agencies can be sure it was the Ruskies, but as Governor Romney indicated that Russia was our #1 geopolitical threat and he didn't have access to as much secret information as President Obama who said that he was mistaken, I don't know what to make of it.
 
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danarhea said:
Thank you John McCain, and thank you Lindsey Graham. You are the conscience of the Republican Party. Hopefully, you both, along with other sane Republicans, will take the party back someday.

Bipartisan Senate Group Calls for Probe of Russian Hacking in US - ABC News
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I mean...probably something we would want to look into, yes? Make sure everything is on the up and up. If it is, then huzzah! But if there's been some shenanigans, we cannot allow it to pass, like Gandalf we'll have to smack the staff down on them.
 
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If there is evidence that someone hacked or attempted to hack the election system, then the situation should certainly be investigated. The problem is that leaks from unnamed administration sources about a secret investigation isn't evidence, particularly when published by anti-Trump media. In other words, we don't have evidence. The NSA may have it. So go investigate. In the meantime there are probably more salient issues to discuss. If the hacking actually happened, then perhaps we will find out about it.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
I'm very torn by this. On the one hand, all the things that were "published" are apparently true and sunshine can be a great disinfectant. I'm not happy with the methods, but I'm unclear how else this information could be made public. While I believe there was hacking, I'm unclear how these agencies can be sure it was the Ruskies, but as Governor Romney indicated that Russia was our #1 geopolitical threat and he didn't have access to as much secret information as President Obama who said that he was mistaken, I don't know what to make of it.
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I do find it funny that the press 4 years ago was lambasting Romney for saying Putin and the Russians were our adversary and today they are claiming, without providing evidence, that the Russians fixed our election.
 
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sanman said:
No, certainly not - but an allegation doesn't automatically amount to reality.
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This is where you should have ended your post, because it's evident that you don't care to read into the issue because it could be poised as something critical towards your Oompa Loompa Jesus, Donald Small hands.

These are not allegations. the report is an officially cited, recorded and gathered account of the Russian government aiding in hacking into Clinton, and the DNC's email servers to influence the outcome of the election. This is all confirmed by the CIA and seventeen other intelligence groups. In the intel community, a consensus like that doesn't happen by accident or chance. You know how much pride intelligence gatherers and analysts have in their work? Do you believe that the top analysts from 17 different groups would report the same thing if it were a fabrication.

sanman said:
Certainly, the CIA should not be making determinations around the veracity or integrity of US elections or candidates,
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You're right, the CIA should in no way, shape, or form be critical and target potential insider threats to the country. :roll: Glib aside, that isn't what's happening here. The intelligence world isn't on a witch hunt for Donald Trump. They're on a witch hunt because of the overwhelming amount of evidence pointing towards the Russians hacking the US. But you don't see this as an issue, because you don't think this is about the hackers, you think this is all about Tonald Drump.

sanman said:
just as the US military should not be securing the ballot boxes.
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Debatable. The National Guard can be deployed for a varying amount of reasons like natural disasters, riots, and just general security. If the state felt so strongly that voters and election boxes could be tampered with the state can deploy their guard units to post security.

sanman said:
When I think of the purpose of Posse Comitatus, it's meant to ensure that the US military doesn't get point its guns at the American people.
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We generally do our best to not point guns at civilians as a general rule. And again, the chance of that ever happening is rather slim.

sanman said:
By extension, I think the same principle should apply to the CIA, so that its resources are not used for partisan political purposes in challenging electoral verdicts.
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Just when I thought I couldn't groan any harder, you go out and produce enough dribble onto the keyboard to produce this. Ugh.

What do you the CIA's general mission is exactly? Do you think they just sit around try and busts terrorists by looking through your Emails and text messages you share with your friend Brad from your pickup basketball team at the YMCA? They're tasked with handling gathering and analyzing on foreign nations. Through whatever methods they had at their disposal, they came to discover the Russians demonstrably did everything they could to get Trump elected as President. I can't believe the spark plug and the dead hamster rotting in broken wheel of a brain is unable to process that.

sanman said:
Indeed, the FBI is the adjudicating agency for law enforcement not the CIA
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That's because the FBI is a federal law enforcement agency. Meanwhile the CIA is a intelligence agency. They're job isn't to arrest, or allege a crime. They gather, and then they report.

sanman said:
- and I can't help but notice that some people here (the anti-Trump people, obviously) want to disregard the FBI's pronouncements, and do an end-run around them by now invoking the CIA.
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Well genius, the FBI concluded that Trump wasn't working directly with the Russian government. That isn't what the CIA and others are alleging. If it wasn't any more obvious you are ignorant on the issue, this was the final nail in the coffin.

sanman said:
This is after they invoked the need for recounts, which haven't worked to overturn the election result. This is after they've proposed that electors from the electoral college not vote according to party affiliation. This is after they've complained that the Electoral College is anti-democratic and needs to be scrapped (presumably they wouldn't have cared if Hillary had won it).
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The CIA also made these conclusions on Russian interference days for the election but sat on it till after the American people voted. Why do you think that happened?

sanman said:
So I just keep hearing this rigmarole/litany of complaint after complaint about this election by those who've lost it.
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I didn't lose the election, the corrupt DNC didn't even let my guy run in a fair race.
 
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jmotivator said:
I do find it funny that the press 4 years ago was lambasting Romney for saying Putin and the Russians were our adversary and today they are claiming, without providing evidence, that the Russians fixed our election.
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I do not recall that. Could you please post links?

I agreed that Putin was our adversary since he became the head of Russia.
 
 
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jmotivator said:
Obama Dings Romney On Russia Remark: The 1980s Are Calling To Ask For Their Foreign Policy Back | The Huffington Post

President Obama Delivers TWO Great Zingers Tonight; Mitt Romney Delivered ZERO! UPDATED X2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...fb3dac-1c97-11e2-ad90-ba5920e56eb3_video.html

Obama To Romney: The 1980s Called — They Want Their Foreign Policy Back (VIDEO)

Obama to Romney: 'The 1980s Are Now Calling to Ask For Their Foreign Policy Back' Video - ABC News

And so on. Everyone thought Obama was so witty. Turns out he was an idiot.
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While I agree that Putin and Russia is an advisory ....

Romney said that Russia was our number 1 geopoltical foe.

" This is without question our number 1 geopolital foe."

In a March 26 interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN, he said the president seemed to be willing to negotiate with Russians on matters he was hiding from the American people.

Said Romney: "This is without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe. They fight for every cause for the world's worst actors. The idea that he has more flexibility in mind for Russia is very, very troubling indeed."
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I was really hoping Romney would be named Secretary of State from the Trump administration because he is a well informed , and knows our allies and advesories well.
 
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minnie616 said:
I do not recall that. Could you please post links?

I agreed that Putin was our adversary since he became the head of Russia.
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Really? YOU agreed? Well, someone contact the WH and let them know that minnie616 says she agreed with Romney that Russia was a threat back in 2012....:roll:



And then there is today....



Adam Schiff and demo's are such liars....There is NOTHING that points to Putin ordering the hack of John Podesta's email, and dissemination to WikiLeaks....In fact watching that interview with Schiff the liar, and Tucker Carlson one thing becomes crystal clear...And that is the only reason that demo's, along with 'useful idiots' like McCain, and Graham are calling for this super intensive investigation is to de legitimize Trump's presidency....It's a dog and pony show by sore losers that can't handle that they put up the most flawed candidate in history, and lost to a reality show billionaire....And they want to waste more money buying attack points.....I say yes, beef up cyber security, shame that Obama didn't take it seriously for 8 years while his intel guys were screaming from the roof tops about it....
 
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WCH said:
You got that right.

This whole Russian thing is smoke and mirrors because the Left can't accept failure or blame.
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So McCain and Graham are the Left now?

What about Mitch McConnell? Is he one of them evul leebruls too? Because he just signed onto the calls for an investigation.

McConnell Backs Senate Investigations of Russian Hacking - NBC News

Jeez, give it a rest.
 
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As Sheriff David Clark said.
"First Dems & Clinton blamed Comey for defeat, then fake news, now the Russians. Everything except their corrupt candidate. Next space aliens."​


If Russia hacked the actual election it would indeed be a concern, but that isn't was is being alleged.


If you want to be upset about the criminality of illegal hacking, be upset, as that is the only aspect of Government involvement that is applicable to this private information being released. And if you are upset, also be upset with those who did not take steps to properly secure that information, because that is how it was able to be released.

What the complainers are doing is whining over true information being released because it was handled carelessly by the Democrats involved.

Regardless of how obtained, that information, once released, was in the public's view and they could exercise their judgement in determining if it was relevant or not.

The people made their choice.
Get over it.


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It has become apparent that most of the folks whining do not know what they are talking about.

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security​

Being consistent with does not mean that it actually was Russia or Russia affiliated.
Nor does that mean these private entities were not hacked by others.
And it likely does not have a damn thing to do with Podesta carelessly losing his Backberry.

As Julian Assange is reported saying.
 
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fmw said:
If there is evidence that someone hacked or attempted to hack the election system, then the situation should certainly be investigated. The problem is that leaks from unnamed administration sources about a secret investigation isn't evidence, particularly when published by anti-Trump media. In other words, we don't have evidence. The NSA may have it. So go investigate. In the meantime there are probably more salient issues to discuss. If the hacking actually happened, then perhaps we will find out about it.
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The sore losers and butt hurt Lefties are doing their best to overturn this election. They are trying to de-legitimatize the Trump Presidency.
 
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danarhea said:
So McCain and Graham are the Left now?

What about Mitch McConnell? Is he one of them evul leebruls too? Because he just signed onto the calls for an investigation.

McConnell Backs Senate Investigations of Russian Hacking - NBC News

Jeez, give it a rest.
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Those two turds have been RINOs for a long time and they need to be voted out of the Republican Party! They both constantly snuggled up to hillary and they aren't worth ****, in my book!
 
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CMPancake said:
It's Obama's fault the Russians interferring with the presidential election? Is there anything you won't blame Obama for?
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Sure it's his fault if this report is true. obama is in charge of the security of America...and he has failed miserably!
 
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sanman said:
McCain is just dredging up his old feud with Trump - old establishment warhorses like him can't read the writing on the wall and understand that the winds of change are blowing.

The establishment on both sides of the aisle are basically trying to de-legitimize the 2016 election. According to them, someone from outside the beltway can only get elected if some sort of cheating happens.
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Yep, McCain should have been voted out this year! He's no longer relevant.
Lindsey Gramnesty is a joke and should be booted as well.

They are part of the problem in the GOP...not saviors of it!
 
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MickeyW said:
Yep, McCain should have been voted out this year! He's no longer relevant.
Lindsey Gramnesty is a joke and should be booted as well.

They are part of the problem in the GOP...not saviors of it!
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Perhaps Herr Trump will have a place for them in is reeducation camps for political dissidents in the near future. In honor of their past service they may even get a limo ride and not have to ride the train with the others.
 
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haymarket said:
Perhaps Herr Trump will have a place for them in is reeducation camps for political dissidents in the near future. In honor of their past service they may even get a limo ride and not have to ride the train with the others.
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President Elect Trump, has more important things to do, than worry about dinosaurs!

Just think, in a few weeks even you can call him Mr. President! Your President! :lol:
 
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haymarket said:
Perhaps Herr Trump will have a place for them in is reeducation camps for political dissidents in the near future. In honor of their past service they may even get a limo ride and not have to ride the train with the others.
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Maybe Comrade Obama can counsel Trump on reeducation camps by describing what he saw on his recent trip to Cuba next door.
 
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MickeyW said:
President Elect Trump, has more important things to do, than worry about dinosaurs!

Just think, in a few weeks even you can call him Mr. President! Your President! :lol:
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Let him worry about the report which might show the Russians aided and abetted his election.

btw - I can call the guy anything I want to. And will too!
 
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sanman said:
Maybe Comrade Obama can counsel Trump on reeducation camps by describing what he saw on his recent trip to Cuba next door.
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The difference being Herr Trumps camps will be for Americans.
 
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haymarket said:
Let him worry about the report which might show the Russians aided and abetted his election.

btw - I can call the guy anything I want to. And will too!
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So how you propose we punish Russia for the hacking?


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