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Dylann Roof laughed during church slaying confession to FBI

Hatuey said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/prosecutors-play-confession-church-shooting-trial-084304129.html



Over the years, I've heard the adage "an armed society is a polite society". I am not sure whether Dylan Roof's statements either support that or contradict it. It can be argued that it does both. Dylan Roof's actions obviously show that arming people in a society will not make it polite. I mean, he did kill people who he thought were weaker... but then he also realized that drug dealers wouldn't really react politely to being shot at by him.
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Things like this test my position against the death penalty.
 
Hatuey said:
If our society is anything to go by, we're actually experiencing the exact opposite of that. In spite of Roof's issues, crime as a whole is down in the US and has been for decades. Look at former cesspools like NYC and Miami. Sure, they have murders, they're cities of millions - but crime in them has gone down for years. At the same time, gun ownership around the US has fallen for decades. It may be that guns themselves are irrelevant to whether or not we're a "polite society".
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There are a lot of moving parts to the thing, but I would agree that in todays world, an armed society does not guarantee a polite society. Thats no different than the false assertion that capital punishment is a deterrent to crime.
 
VanceMack said:
Forgiveness is a personal act. I honor and respect so much that the families that have found forgiveness for him can move forward in their life free of hatred. Personal forgiveness is powerful...but it doesnt exempt societal needs for law and order.

This case is one of many that certainly justify the use of capital punishment. Society will be better served with Dylan Roof eliminated. It is a just punishment, but more importantly, it would remove the possibility that he might contaminate another soul.
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I'm more worried about those who corrupted this kid. Roof was not always a murderous racist.

Let us do the same here. Let us uncover the genealogy of Dylann Roof’s hate, if only to better understand how to prevent and ultimately destroy it. Because the majority of Roof’s manifesto is not filled with the kind of radical, white-supremacist, fringe crazy talk you might expect; it’s filled with the kind of boilerplate, dime-store racial rhetoric you hear from mainstream conservative pundits every single day; it’s filled with the kind of offhand, matter-of-fact racist remarks people throw around in casual conversation and with the kind of thinly veiled racial ideologies that conservative politicians actively support and encourage.

Who radicalized Dylann Roof? Conservative media did. Fox News did. Republican representatives did. America did. The connection is direct and clear. Dylann Roof may have been a radical in action, but in word and thought he was nothing new. The fear-addled, racially obsessed, white culture warrior who walked into a church and killed nine people was animated by the puppet-masters of mainstream conservatism.
https://thehumanist.com/commentary/who-radicalized-dylann-roof
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I know you rightes will say, "Not our fault." But, it is. You all made this creep. Wear it. And be proud.
 
calamity said:
I'm more worried about those who corrupted this kid. Roof was not always a murderous racist.



I know you rightes will say, "Not our fault." But, it is. You all made this creep. Wear it. And be proud.
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Actually, I would say rhetoric like the **** you are spewing makes Dylan Roof. And be honest...you are just the other side of his coin.
 
VanceMack said:
I think you managed to find a way to nail all the current leftist talking points. Good job!
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Well, Dylan certainly nailed all the Right Wing talking points in his manifesto. He didn't miss a beat.
 
VanceMack said:
Actually, I would say rhetoric like the **** you are spewing makes Dylan Roof. And be honest...you are just the other side of his coin.
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Why won't you admit your buddies in Right Wing media radicalized this kid? Skeered?
 
calamity said:
Well, Dylan certainly nailed all the Right Wing talking points in his manifesto. He didn't miss a beat.
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Indeed. And he snagged you in the process.
 
VanceMack said:
Indeed. And he snagged you in the process.
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I'm just pointing out the obvious connections. The dude parrots Colin Flaherity, Bill O'Reily and all the others out there who harp on this notion that Blacks are somehow getting away with something. He lived on streets named after Confederates and in a state that waived its flag. He bought the story....a little too much is all. You should be proud.
 
calamity said:
I'm just pointing out the obvious connections. The dude parrots Colin Flaherity, Bill O'Reily and all the others out there who harp on this notion that Blacks are somehow getting away with something. He lived on streets named after Confederates and in a state that waived its flag. He bought the story....a little too much is all. You should be proud.
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...just like you should be proud that Gavin Long and Micah Johnson took the false narrative of BLM to heart. Really?

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jwzg said:
...just like you should be proud that Gavin Long and Micah Johnson took the false narrative of BLM to heart. Really?

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Well, considering I believe BLM to be a stupid waste of time, promoting false rhetoric...and have written as much many times in these forums, I have no idea what the hell you are trying to sell.
 
calamity said:
Well, considering I believe BLM to be a stupid waste of time, promoting false rhetoric...and have written as much many times in these forums, I have no idea what the hell you are trying to sell.
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Perhaps that radicalization is not the sole property of either side of the political fence?

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jwzg said:
Perhaps that radicalization is not the sole property of either side of the political fence?

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Never said it was. I am only pointing out that Roof was turned by the alt-right and some in its mainstream. That's pretty much indisputable.
 
Hatuey said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/prosecutors-play-confession-church-shooting-trial-084304129.html



Over the years, I've heard the adage "an armed society is a polite society". I am not sure whether Dylan Roof's statements either support that or contradict it. It can be argued that it does both. Dylan Roof's actions obviously show that arming people in a society will not make it polite. I mean, he did kill people who he thought were weaker... but then he also realized that drug dealers wouldn't really react politely to being shot at by him.
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Did Roof shoot up a gang clubhouse, where everyone is likely to be armed, or did he shoot up a church house where everyone was guaranteed to be unarmed?
 
Eternal waterboarding ;)

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Ockham said:
They have more Christian values than I - for I have not been personally affected by this monster and I do not forgive him.
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Not to be argumentative, but what do YOU have to forgive him for?
 
Ockham said:
Murdering innocent people in a church. What else?
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The crime was heinous...but how does it directly impact you or cause you pain where you have the need to forgive him?

My point is...I dont understand the need to join the pain body. Unless you know those folks this isnt personal to you and if you are going to make this personal...my gosh...there are SO MANY horrible and despicable crimes against humanity that happen every single day...hell...every hour of every day.
 
Roof supposedly visited four plantations. Which ones? Neither the judge nor the jury can answer this question: "What did Dylann Roof know about the 1964 riots, the bombing of an A.M.E. church and the federal building, all in Rochester, New York?
 
NonoBadDog said:
I am not a fan of the death penalty but this guy makes me think about whether it should be legal to lock some people up in the same room with the victim's family members to do whatever they desire.
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yeah I think in some Arab nations, if you are convicted of murder, the father of the victim or the brother or the male head of the family is given a rifle and he has the choice to shoot the murderer. If he does not, the defendant goes to prison. in some of those nations, if you really want the defendant to suffer, you hand the rifle back to the judge.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Who "deserves to die" is always going to be a matter of personal opinion. For example, IMO only someone who has killed intentionally and with malice aforethought "deserves" to die. So I would not include someone who has merely threatened deadly force. Meanwhile, someone else might believe no one "deserves" to die regardless of the situation.

As to your second point, I was not being exclusive.

Just about every war criminal has lied about their participation in mass murders, despite photographic/film, documentary, and overwhelming victim/witness evidence to the contrary. There was no doubt about their guilt.

It is not whether the perpetrator wants to cast doubt, but rather does the evidence eliminate all doubt.
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I have a different reason for being opposed to the death penality. For me its not a matter of who deserves death but a question of whether or not society should pay executioners to kill people. Imo that should not be a function of civilized society and therefore i stand in opposition to it.

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