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Kellyanne Conway to Clinton: Don't blame 'fake news' for loss

j-mac said:
Fake news? How about those outlets like NBC that pushed the "hands up, don't shoot" narrative? Fake news?
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I don't blame fake news as much as I believe the idiots that have been stupid enough to be extremely susceptible to it.
 
Hillary herself the fake news pusher , remember her claiming to be landing under sniper fire? Plenty more fake news put out by her if you want to take the time to look. I think this is great as the left refuses to believe it's them and their ideas and "values" that we the voters rejected. Keep telling yourself that it is fake news, racism, sexism and whatever other ism you choose to add. It's nothing personal, it just your ideas and " values " that stink!! Cheers

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Hillary spent $1.2 billion, and lost.

She's embarrassed, furious, and looking for a desperate excuse.

She lost to a nobody in 2008. Then lost to a reality celebrity businessman with no political experience.

She's never won an election outside her virtual New York unopposed bubble.

She's a colossal failure, and she's struggling with it.
 
poweRob said:
I don't blame fake news as much as I believe the idiots that have been stupid enough to be extremely susceptible to it.
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Yes, there is that....And those reading these sites have a responsibility to make sure that what they are reading is factual, but then so does the MSM, and they have had their share of "fake news" recently also. And their standard is supposed to be higher than ours.....
 
Fishking said:
You're contradicting yourself, as it would be the government that would be going after people. Oh, and you want to make lying illegal? How do we define that? Who gets to define it? How does it get stopped?
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No. a civil suit is the aggrevieved party going after people, not the government. I don't want to make lying illegal. I want lying to be punishable by civil punitive damages.
 
MaggieD said:
No. a civil suit is the aggrevieved party going after people, not the government. I don't want to make lying illegal. I want lying to be punishable by civil punitive damages.
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Isn't that already covered by defamation? The problem is showing intent, right?
 
sanman said:
So who should be able to sue for libel?

If some dumbass posts their article claiming that Obama molested children in the Oval Office, then should any old Obama supporter be able to sue for libel? It should be Obama himself filing the libel suit. Why the hell should you be able to collect the $$$ just because you're Obama's fan, when you're not the injured party? Makes no sense.

I think someone should have to be able to prove they're the injured party, before being able to sue someone else for libel, or getting an article removed/yanked.
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You do have to prove damages if you sue for liable

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j-mac said:
Fake news? How about those outlets like NBC that pushed the "hands up, don't shoot" narrative? Fake news?
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The "fake news" has always been there. The press is trying to change the definition to include anyone that doesn't agree with their political opinions. They have lost control and this is the direction they want to go to convince an already unbelieving public that they are vital and we need them. I say ****em. I can figure it out without their help.
 
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Those caught espousing fake news should be made to wear pants that have been soaked in gasoline.
 
d0gbreath said:
Those caught espousing fake news should be made to wear pants that have been soaked in gasoline.
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I wonder how the NYTimes, and WaPo people would feel about having to do that...
 
MaggieD said:
I don't agree with you. Free speech is being abused in this country in the name of the US Constitution. When lies are intentionally put out there for public consumption, there is no public good being served. Freedom of speech is meant to protect us from our GOVERNMENT. Not to protect a lying news site from civil liability.

I agree with those who say it is time to tackle this problem head on. The media should not be able to hide behind freedom of the press, freedom of speech, anonymous sources and the like. They need to be held accountable just like the rest of us.
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Interesting situation. If the press reveals its sources, then it will probably stop receiving leaks. That may be good or bad. I won't opine. Perhaps there should be a label on the story something like the label on cigarettes. It could say "Take this information with a grain of salt because we aren't willing to reveal our sources." Then at least people can decide for themselves whether the report has merit or not. Imagine the furor if we were to outlaw lying. ;)
 
j-mac said:
I wonder how the NYTimes, and WaPo people would feel about having to do that...
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They wouldn't like it, although i am not concerned about their feelings. If the gas pants fit...
 
MaggieD said:
I don't agree with you. Free speech is being abused in this country in the name of the US Constitution. When lies are intentionally put out there for public consumption, there is no public good being served. Freedom of speech is meant to protect us from our GOVERNMENT. Not to protect a lying news site from civil liability.

I agree with those who say it is time to tackle this problem head on. The media should not be able to hide behind freedom of the press, freedom of speech, anonymous sources and the like. They need to be held accountable just like the rest of us.
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Freedom is a bitch that way. you have to take the good with the bad.Instead of "not allowing", we should become better at discerning. For example when all these recent reports come out blaming the russians again.

Instead of saying "ah-hah", say "lets see the actual proof". we don't. if we applied that mentality to everything we hear and read, so called "fake news" wouldn't even be a thing that the democrats needed to create to blame for thier loss.


we already do this, Alex jones, who the hell believes anything from that site?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Freedom is a bitch that way. you have to take the good with the bad.Instead of "not allowing", we should become better at discerning. For example when all these recent reports come out blaming the russians again.

Instead of saying "ah-hah", say "lets see the actual proof". we don't. if we applied that mentality to everything we hear and read, so called "fake news" wouldn't even be a thing that the democrats needed to create to blame for thier loss.


we already do this, Alex jones, who the hell believes anything from that site?
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I actually think this latest Russian thingie may be the straw. I don't know ANYONE who believes that. It's created the most massive eye roll in history.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't agree with you. Free speech is being abused in this country in the name of the US Constitution. When lies are intentionally put out there for public consumption, there is no public good being served. Freedom of speech is meant to protect us from our GOVERNMENT. Not to protect a lying news site from civil liability.

I agree with those who say it is time to tackle this problem head on. The media should not be able to hide behind freedom of the press, freedom of speech, anonymous sources and the like. They need to be held accountable just like the rest of us.
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The first amendment protects speech even lies.
that doesn't mean that some lies can't get you in trouble depending on who you are lying to.

however it isn't the governments job to sort this out. it would set a dangerous precedent.
it should be up to people to sort it out.
 
ludin said:
The first amendment protects speech even lies.
that doesn't mean that some lies can't get you in trouble depending on who you are lying to.

however it isn't the governments job to sort this out. it would set a dangerous precedent.
it should be up to people to sort it out.
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I agree. I count civil lawsuits as "the people sorting it out."
 
Manc Skipper said:
Fake news. Pizzagate et al.
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/media/pizzagate.html

I think we've heard about enough on this bull****. Not every news article is as convoluted as this thing became. Most of the problem with the Clinton loss, is pure butthurt. Clinton ran a pathetic campaign and won the popular vote.............A LOSING STRATEGY. She should have fired her campaign manager for that. I love the way people, who have no dog in the fight, come in here to push this ridiculous fake news meme day after day after day after day. Clinton lost because she sucks. She's a liar and a cheater and a corrupt human being. End of story.
 
MaggieD said:
I agree. I count civil lawsuits as "the people sorting it out."
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they would have to show some kind of damage from it.
it is hard to prosecute lies in court.
 
American said:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/media/pizzagate.html

I think we've heard about enough on this bull****. Not every news article is as convoluted as this thing became. Most of the problem with the Clinton loss, is pure butthurt. Clinton ran a pathetic campaign and won the popular vote.............A LOSING STRATEGY. She should have fired her campaign manager for that. I love the way people, who have no dog in the fight, come in here to push this ridiculous fake news meme day after day after day after day. Clinton lost because she sucks. She's a liar and a cheater and a corrupt human being. End of story.
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Ab so freakin' loutly!!!!!! /thread
 
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