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Trump wants to cancel Air Force One order from Boeing

Exquisitor said:
It was Obama who said no to new helicopters.

Trump is just following nicely in his footsteps.
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Obama hasn't said no to much, to the tune of about $10 trillion in debt. I wouldn't try and tout Obama's frugality if I were you.
 
At best, he's negotiating. If a company has the leverage, it can get insane deals, up to the literal breaking point of its vendors/customers. Every big company I deal with does this on some level...sometimes as normal operating policy. The federal government, happens to have a little, you know, leverage. So maybe he's trying to get private industry in line, and set a tone throughout. But that's a big plan, I doubt he can sensible and consistently execute on it, if that's what he's point at.
 
apdst said:
Where is Mr. Trump supposed to live between now and 20 January?
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He has other houses that would be far cheaper to secure. But what Trump wants he gets and spending be damned.
 
11Bravo said:
great jesture. trump giving back to the people.
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What 'people'??? Trickle down won't even raise the humidity at 'the people' level. It will hurt investment funds with Boeing in them, will hurt American workers building the new plane and i guess free up money to protect Trump Tower where his family will live rather than in DC so we can add that cost to the backs of 'the people'...

Excellent gesture (though your 'jesture' might be a bit more appropriate, it conjures up the old court jester... :peace
 
danarhea said:
Seems that the president has a good plane already.
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sigh

He can't use his private plane instead of Air Force One.

Well, he could, but then he'd be vulnerable to anti-aircraft missiles, and basically won't have the tools he needs to do his job. Unless you think the job of the President is to Tweet while he's flying from DC to NYC.

The reality is that the capabilities needed by a replacement pair of Presidential planes is astounding -- hence the price tag. It needs to be a flying White House that is resistant to EMPs, anti-aircraft missiles, can refuel in midair, and who knows what else. Basically, it's like they are doing all the R&D for a new fighter jet, but only need to make 2 of them (and spare parts).

Oh, and a commercial Boeing 747-8 costs around $350 million. This contract is for two of them, and the most recent estimate is around $3.2 billion. (Not $4 billion, he exaggerated inaccurately as per usual.)
 
notquiteright said:
What 'people'??? Trickle down won't even raise the humidity at 'the people' level. It will hurt investment funds with Boeing in them, will hurt American workers building the new plane and i guess free up money to protect Trump Tower where his family will live rather than in DC so we can add that cost to the backs of 'the people'...

Excellent gesture (though your 'jesture' might be a bit more appropriate, it conjures up the old court jester... :peace
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trumps decisions are putting money in our pockets and satisfaction in our hearts
 
Visbek said:
So did Congressional Republicans.
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And what did I say about Congress? Nothing. So, what is your point and why are you bring them up in regard to Trump questioning the amount?

Anyway, these will not be just a "few planes." They are floating White Houses. They need special...
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Yep, yep, yep... know all about it. 2 planes, $4 billion?

Of course, if he wants to get a bid from Airbus, by all means, let's go for it. I'm sure that a European-made plane will be cheaper. Or maybe Lockheed-Martin can build a new plane in India for the next President.
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I'd be shocked if Boeing didn't build it.
By the way, the current plane is 30 years old, and desperately needs to be replaced. There are only a handful of that model around, so they need to constantly custom-make replacement parts. The replacement is already going to take years, and renegotiating will only cause more delays, which will increase costs. You'd think someone who works in construction would understand that.
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Ah... $4 billion. Why are you so ready to swallow that price without question?

But hey, we are ruling the nation by platitude and sound-bite now, right? Right. I'm sure he can just fly first class everywhere.
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And if you can imagine, it's an improvement from what we had!
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iguanaman said:
He has other houses that would be far cheaper to secure. But what Trump wants he gets and spending be damned.
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His penthouse at Trump Tower is the family's primary residence right? What kind of sadistic pleasure could liberals gain by denying him living in his own home.....?
 
apdst said:
One aircraft is going to cost jobs? I doubt that.
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The most advanced aircraft in the world.. you betcha it is. All the tech that needs to be put in and designed.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
/facepalm


It's a shot over the bow that they need to negotiate a better deal.
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LOL since when does the GOP EVER do that? No this is more like, Trump and his allies did not get any kickback on the deal, so he wants some honey as well.
 
11Bravo said:
trumps decisions are putting money in our pockets and satisfaction in our hearts
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He bribes companies to stay, is giving 7 times the tax cut to the uber riche than 'the people'... your post sounds like rabid right brain wash than anything of substance.

(and apparently you don't invest in our aircraft industry, but are heavy into 'jestures'... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
He bribes companies to stay, is giving 7 times the tax cut to the uber riche than 'the people'... your post sounds like rabid right brain wash than anything of substance.

(and apparently you don't invest in our aircraft industry, but are heavy into 'jestures'... :peace
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im sencing the fact that trump won and will make America great again, ur a little sad
 
Anthony60 said:
Let's see...
1) Is this about Congress, or Trump having a problem with the amount?
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This is about someone on Trumps team having a problem with someone at Boeing. Trump does not have the knowledge to understand what this is about. Someone told him lies and did not give him the facts, and he went with it. He is far far too easy to manipulate.

2) So if there are jobs in America from it, we can't question the amount and pay whatever the demand. Doesn't sound too smart.
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Come on.. the GOP has been giving away hundreds of billions to big business for decades ... and this is suddenly a problem? Most Red states give massive tax breaks and free land to get companies to move there.. where do you think the money comes from that? Your pocket!

3) Ooops! Are we going to have to restrict free speech now to only say positive things about companies? The left might not ever be aloud to comment on corporations again!
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Trump needs to learn that if he says something then it has consequences that he will never ever feel.. but the American people will. He needs to learn to SHUT THE **** UP on Twitter. This is not the ****ing Apprentice he is running. It is time for you Trump zealots to understand how dangerous he is if he continues to have access to Twitter and post such idiotic ****.. and lets not forget the lies. It is undignified for the American President.. hell any world leader, to do what he is doing. It shames the role of the American President, both domestically and internationally, and it is frankly making the US an even bigger laughing stock around the world.. and once you are that, then no one respects you or your views. When Trump comes to China or Europe, he will have to use a rope to get out of his plane... he wont be given the privilege of stairs.
 
PeteEU said:
The most advanced aircraft in the world.. you betcha it is. All the tech that needs to be put in and designed.
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After the airplane is finished; all those people are going to get laid off, again? Think about what you're saying.
 
PeteEU said:
Lets see..

1) Did the GOP run Congress not need to approve the deal?
2) Does Donald not want jobs in America? The plane is made in several states, and cancelling it would cost jobs.
3) Boeing lost 1 billion in value on that tweet... guess Donald does not care about the average American who holds Boeing stocks eh?

I am guessing he wants to buy the cheap Russian made planes instead right?
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No, this is just the opening salvo in a bid to get the cost of the planes down, I'm thinking.
 
Good for him. We need a ton of those kind of decisions.
 
BrewerBob said:
Securing Trump Tower costs about one millions dollars a day so it depends on how long they will be doing it. If it is just until the end of the school year I doubt most rational people will complain. If it is four years then we are talking close to 1.5 Billion for an unnecessary and frivolous accomadation whereas a modern Air Force One is a necessary matter of national security.
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Soooo... you don't know and have no valid framework to make the comparison? Noted.
 
Anthony60 said:
Curbing government spending. Uh oh, the left hates that. See, Obama .
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We're not talking about Obama.

We're talking about how Trump pretends to curb about spending to pander to supporters, knowing full well that supporters won't bother to ask just how much gear, time, and personnel it takes to secure high-rise apartments in the middle of ****ing New York City.
 
Anthony60 said:
Yep, yep, yep... know all about it. 2 planes, $4 billion?
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1) Most recent GAO estimate is $3.2 billion for 2 planes (most of that is for development)
2) Commercial versions of those planes cost $350 million to start with
3) The new planes will basically need to be flying White Houses that can dodge anti-aircraft missiles, refuel in flight, survive a nuclear blast, and more.
4) The last ones were kept in service for 30 years, well above the norm.

As I said above, this is the equivalent of doing all the R&D for an advanced fighter jet, and only building two of them.


I'd be shocked if Boeing didn't build it.
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Seems like he doesn't want it built at all.


Ah... $4 billion. Why are you so ready to swallow that price without question?
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$3.2 billion, and see above

Plus, the real issue is that the rejection is not based on a careful and thoughtful analysis of the actual requirements, needs, bidding process and so forth. It's a childish knee-jerk reaction that will probably just need to be walked back, or ignored, in a few weeks' time.
 
Mr Person said:
We're not talking about Obama.

We're talking about how Trump pretends to curb about spending to pander to supporters, knowing full well that supporters won't bother to ask just how much gear, time, and personnel it takes to secure high-rise apartments in the middle of ****ing New York City.
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This thread is about Boeing, not the Trump Tower.
 
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