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four documented cases of voter fraud in the 2016 election

a777pilot said:
Rare? There is no way you can say that with any veracity. It's just your opinion.
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That there are very few documented cases of voter fraud is a fact.

That there is very little voter fraud is an opinion supported by that fact.
 
Praxas said:
You said that people claimed there was NO voter fraud. That means ZERO. Look at your words dude, words have meaning. Wow taking your cues from Trump I see.
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Do you think that a figure of speech should be taken literally? Or, better yet, why are you making this about me? Let's stick to the topic....
 
Casca XV said:
Boy, did you just start a losing battle,,, Obama seldom puts two words together without a teleprompter yet in the area of saying stupid things he is far worse than Trump.

No wonder next to Carter Obama consistently polls as the worst modernday President.
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Yes Obama has said stupid stuff but I was responding to something someone said about Trump, not Obama. Please try and follow.
 
Dittohead not! said:
That there are very few documented cases of voter fraud is a fact.

That there is very little voter fraud is an opinion supported by that fact.
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How would one know how much is going on if there is really no metric to measure it's happening other than catching only the blatant abuses that are caught 'red handed'?
 
Middleground said:
Thank ****ing gawd the Republicans spent all of that effort, tine and money to make all of those voter ID laws!1!!1!1111! Otherwise it would have been a complete disaster!1!!!!!!11
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How do you track the ID of the people voting without requiring voter IDs? You seem to have picked the one form of voter fraud that is literally not screened for. :roll:
 
Visbek said:
So are the odds that you're going to travel 50 miles to pretend to be him at a polling station.
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Less than 6 miles both on early voting days and on election day. I have the advantage of living on a county/district line.
 
The simple reality is that there is no way of knowing just how much fraud and illegal voting is occurring. But it IS occurring.

In Pennsylvania, the city of Philadelphia sent voter registration to 2.5 million residents along with vote from home information a month before the election. At least some of those recipients have been proven to be illegal immigrants or legal immigrants but unable to vote. Many did. How many? we dont know because there hasnt been an audit.
Illegal Voters Uncovered in Philly Are 'Tip of the Iceberg' | LifeZette

In California, the laws were changed to 1-automatically register to vote anyone that gets a drivers license, 2-grant drivers licenses to illegals, and 3-hold illegals blameless if they vote because after all...its the state that registered them in the first place so how could they know?
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1461

Dead people are still voting in Illinois and Colorado.

Indiana is investigating fraud in 56 counties.
Indiana voter fraud investigation grows to 56 counties - NBC12 - WWBT - Richmond, VA News On Your Side

And on and on.

The rhetoric from the leftists against voter ID was that "there is NO Voter fraud". Then it was..."OK...welll...ACORN...sure...but that was just fraudulent voter registration", to "OK...sure...it happens...but not that much"...to "They do it too!!!"
 
Captain Adverse said:
It takes time, effort, and lots and lots of money to do an accurate recount of votes, as we are seeing in Wisconsin, Michigan, and maybe Pennsylvania if Stein is successful there.

This would be especially true in States like California and New York where those 2 million votes for Hillary Clinton have so many people in an uproar about the "popular vote."

We already have members crowing about "errors" in tabulating in the three States where Jill Stein has arbitrarily pushed for recounts simply because Trump won, which (to their minds) justify the whole effort and raise hopes that Trump will not be elected after all.

I personally wonder if recounts were held not only everywhere Hillary won by a similar margin of 1 - 3%, but also in every State she won by massive margins if we might not find similar "errors" or actual voter fraud?

We will never know of course because there is neither the funding nor the effort on behalf of these recount advocates to challenge her "obvious popularity." :coffeepap:
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Well, in my opinion, it is not a waste to audit and examine all close elections, no matter who won. I also like the idea of the scanning paper ballots, rather than pure electronic ballets myself... there is a paper trail and it is harder to hack the results. IMO, it is harder to do voter fraud, and fake the front end, rather than election fraud, which can modify the results from the voters with computers. Confidence in the results (even if you don't like the results) is important. The integrity and transparency of voting ,and voting tabulation must be maintained.
 
j-mac said:
How would one know how much is going on if there is really no metric to measure it's happening other than catching only the blatant abuses that are caught 'red handed'?
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It's a lot like the argument about the existence of ghosts. There is no evidence for ghosts, but, nevertheless, that doesn't mean that they don't exist.

So, since politics are all about perception and very little about reality, and if there is a perception that voter fraud is widespread and damaging our electoral system, then by all means let's put into place some safeguards. Let's require a picture ID to vote, for example. It might not accomplish anything, but it will make people feel better about the system. It could have some positive fallout as well, as people need picture ID for other things as well. Maybe those usurious payday lenders could be put out of business, for example, as more people have checking accounts.
 
Praxas said:
The amount of money that will be spent going into voter IDs will be far more wasteful than the paranoia of so called illegal voters.
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Yep, it is so hard to swipe an ID card across a scanner - oh wait... that just happened when I last voted. ;)
 
americanwoman said:
Yes Obama has said stupid stuff but I was responding to something someone said about Trump, not Obama. Please try and follow.
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Keeping it in perspective and clearly demonstrating that on his worst day Trump is better, smarter more capable than Hillary, Obama or anything else Democrats have to offer.
 
we r launching a full investigation in our town for the person who voted for hillary. pretty sure it was nick's wife.
 
Casca XV said:
Keeping it in perspective and clearly demonstrating that on his worst day Trump is better, smarter more capable than Hillary, Obama or anything else Democrats have to offer.
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Okay. :lol:

See I can see the good and bad on both sides. When you just see the good on one side and the bad on the other and still act like you have a clue it explains it all.
 
VanceMack said:
The rhetoric from the leftists against voter ID was that "there is NO Voter fraud". Then it was..."OK...welll...ACORN...sure...but that was just fraudulent voter registration", to "OK...sure...it happens...but not that much"...to "They do it too!!!"
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THAT is why I started this thread..
 
Middleground said:
Thank ****ing gawd the Republicans spent all of that effort, tine and money to make all of those voter ID laws!1!!1!1111! Otherwise it would have been a complete disaster!1!!!!!!11
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I get asked for my ID every ****ing time I go to vote. Thank you very much. :mrgreen:
 
11Bravo said:
we r launching a full investigation in our town for the person who voted for hillary. pretty sure it was nick's wife.
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Of course it was Nick's wife. I heard from my cousin's girlfriends baby daddy's uncle she not only voted for Hillary but kicks dogs when no one is looking.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Let's require a picture ID to vote, for example. It might not accomplish anything, but it will make people feel better about the system.
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That's good enough reason right there..
 
Dittohead not! said:
It's a lot like the argument about the existence of ghosts. There is no evidence for ghosts, but, nevertheless, that doesn't mean that they don't exist.

So, since politics are all about perception and very little about reality, and if there is a perception that voter fraud is widespread and damaging our electoral system, then by all means let's put into place some safeguards. Let's require a picture ID to vote, for example. It might not accomplish anything, but it will make people feel better about the system. It could have some positive fallout as well, as people need picture ID for other things as well. Maybe those usurious payday lenders could be put out of business, for example, as more people have checking accounts.
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That's a great analogy!

Voter fraud is exactly like ghosts. It's an imaginary thing that some people are convinced is real. They refuse to look critically at the evidence and take as proof anything they can't immediately explain. They think that people with nothing to gain are out to scam them, so they willingly fork over money to scam artists to "prove" this point.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Since politics is about perception, and not about reality, let's then initiate a voter ID law. If confidence in the electoral process is so low that a successful candidate can claim millions of illegal votes and be believed, then it's time we did something to restore that confidence. There can't be that many people who vote but don't possess a picture ID of some kind.

But, let's not disallow the sorts of ID that minority voters are most likely to have. That's another form of election fraud.
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This is the SAME valid, state issued, photo ID which is required to sign up for welfare, get most jobs, buy a six-pack of beer, pick up many prescription meds, buy a pack of smokes, board an aircraft or to cash a lottery winning's check. To make it sound as if we have many millions of ignorant, back woods morons that just happen to be "minority" (and mostly demorat?) is insulting at best and racist at worst.

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