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Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount[W:224]

Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Mycroft said:
Irrelevant.

Don't be naive and believe the blather spouted by Stein and her ilk. They don't care about any "correct outcome". They only want to prevent those States from certifying their vote count in time. You can be sure that if any of these States complete their recount before the deadline she'll find another way...a court action, demand another recount, etc...to throw a wrench in the Electoral College.
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There's being realistic then there's being cynical. There's also being an anarchist; beyond that we have nihilist.

Or one can simply be speculating. Driving the long train of possible horrors.

Better perhaps to instead see how the early recounting goes, the first 10% to be re-examined for instance. Florida in 2000 had each Gore and Bush up then down then tied then...all over the place until Scotus got the snapshot they'd been looking for.

A recount can go uneventfully or become a barrel of monkeys in an instant.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

joG said:
It cannot harm to make sure the original outcome was correct.
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This is not about assuring the outcome was correct.

This is about delaying the EC vote hoping Trump will lose if the EC cannot vote from those states because of the recount has not finished on time.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Tangmo said:
Dr. Stein proposes a recount in each of the three historically blue states: PA, MI, WI that went red narrowly this time. By a combined vote margin that would fill just about exactly a Super Bowl stadium and nothing larger.

Electoral College Votes:
PA = 20
MI = 16
WI = 10
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= 46 ECV's


New Hampshire has all of four (4) Electoral College Votes.

Wisconsin alone will run Dr. Stein more than $4 million for the recount currently underway. She has already turned over to Michigan $1 million and may be requested or required to get a bigger tin cup for the recount beginning there today.

If Trump had any doubts about New Hampshire he'd have let us know about 'em long ago. Or if he cared about New Hampshire.
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Thank you for being one of the few that admits this isn't some care for the integrity of the election and that such claims are largely hollow and fraudulent, but rather this is sigularly a care about a potential chance of swinging it so the other side wins, and that is the only actual purpose.

Nothing wrong with that thinking, but it's be nice if others were as transparent instead of acting as if they care that "every vote counts" (which if they did, New Hampshire would be included by them, yet it rarely is)
 
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Meanwhile Stein is outside Trump Tower holding a press conference or something regarding the recount. I don't see how anyone could think this was about protecting the integrity of an election. It's just some liberals being hypocrites and refusing to accept results in an attempt to marginalize a Trump presidency using Stein as a surrogate.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Tangmo said:
Dr. Stein proposes a recount in each of the three historically blue states: PA, MI, WI that went red narrowly this time. By a combined vote margin that would fill just about exactly a Super Bowl stadium and nothing larger.

Electoral College Votes:
PA = 20
MI = 16
WI = 10
_____________
= 46 ECV's


New Hampshire has all of four (4) Electoral College Votes.

Wisconsin alone will run Dr. Stein more than $4 million for the recount currently underway. She has already turned over to Michigan $1 million and may be requested or required to get a bigger tin cup for the recount beginning there today.

If Trump had any doubts about New Hampshire he'd have let us know about 'em long ago. Or if he cared about New Hampshire.
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You can throw PA out because it is a dead issue.

No recount there.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

jmotivator said:
You are literally trying to guess at the intention of the voter beyond what the voter actually did with their ballot. Hell, why not take a small sample of votes cast and just assume that any deviation from that sampling was unintended by the voter? The logic that any Hillary votes that exceed the ratio derived from the 100 vote sample can just chalked up to voter confusion is the same as your logic that any failure to cast a vote was unintentional.
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USA has been doing the 'first' 100 sample in the precincts election night for 200+ years. And once again you're engineering the long train of possible horrors. (Anything is possible eh.)

If you don't trust it this year, then many of us might also have reason to question certain of the results this year.

A recount is radically and fundamentally different btw from a Potus-Elect saying he actually won the Popular Vote when he did not, by claiming out of the blue that millions of aliens and undocumented migrants voted for The Evil One instead of for His Upstanding Self.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Tangmo said:
There's being realistic then there's being cynical. There's also being an anarchist; beyond that we have nihilist.

Or one can simply be speculating. Driving the long train of possible horrors.

Better perhaps to instead see how the early recounting goes, the first 10% to be re-examined for instance. Florida in 2000 had each Gore and Bush up then down then tied then...all over the place until Scotus got the snapshot they'd been looking for.

A recount can go uneventfully or become a barrel of monkeys in an instant.
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As I said...all that recount blather is irrelevant...as in, it doesn't matter. Stein and her ilk don't care one bit how the recount goes. They just want to delay as much as they can.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Tangmo said:
USA has been doing the 'first' 100 sample in the precincts election night for 200+ years. And once again you're engineering the long train of possible horrors. (Anything is possible eh.)

If you don't trust it this year, then many of us might also have reason to question certain of the results this year.

A recount is radically and fundamentally different btw from a Potus-Elect saying he actually won the Popular Vote when he did not, by claiming out of the blue that millions of aliens and undocumented migrants voted for The Evil One instead of for His Upstanding Self.
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The night-of reporting is the unofficial count that is the stand in for the official count that is done in the days following the election. It is not used for the purposes of assigning EC votes!

What your bizarre suggestion would do is assume an error in these no-vote ballots with no clue if your assumption is correct and then have the state cast these ballots base on shaky statistics. I think this only makes sense to you because you are desperate for Hillary to win and think this might help...
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Anthony60 said:
Obviously, we should just nullify the election and have a do over. I mean, we need to get this right. Hillary lost the first round, so something was terribly wrong. Let's get right to it, why waste time with these recounts? We'll do it again, Hillary will win this time, and there will be no reason to have a recount.
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And, if Trump wins the do-over...well, we'll just do it over again...and again...and again...until we get it right.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Mycroft said:
And, if Trump wins the do-over...well, we'll just do it over again...and again...and again...until we get it right.
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Has that actually ever happened?
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Mycroft said:
I don't think so.
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I kind of suspected that. It's probably safe to say then that we won't "just do it over again...and again...and again...until we get it right."
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

ttwtt78640 said:
Many polls showed that both major party POTUS candidates had high negatives - that, IMHO, makes it quite likely that neither of them would be selected by a whopping 0.0125% of all voters. I do not consider 0.0125% to be "big" under the circumstances.
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Trump won each of the three states by a combined total of 100,000 votes.

That's a Super Bowl stadium crowd, nothing more.

So how many Super Bowl tickets are hawked each year. How many fans get scalped by scalpers each year. Last year 14,000 fans got scalped at a typical $3000 per. (Some players scalp their own friends too but at half that.)

The Super Bowl fans vote with their ticket. Not quite an identical comparison, but not a bad one as points of numerical and statistical reference go.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Tangmo said:
Trump won each of the three states by a combined total of 100,000 votes.

That's a Super Bowl stadium crowd, nothing more.

So how many Super Bowl tickets are hawked each year. How many fans get scalped by scalpers each year. Last year 14,000 fans got scalped at a typical $3000 per. (Some players scalp their own friends too but at half that.)

The Super Bowl fans vote with their ticket. Not quite an identical comparison, but not a bad one as points of numerical and statistical reference go.
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Won.

That is the only word that matters in your rambling.

Won.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Mason66 said:
This is not about assuring the outcome was correct.

This is about delaying the EC vote hoping Trump will lose if the EC cannot vote from those states because of the recount has not finished on time.
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I thought the recounts had to be finished before Ec.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Tangmo said:
Trump won each of the three states by a combined total of 100,000 votes.

That's a Super Bowl stadium crowd, nothing more.

So how many Super Bowl tickets are hawked each year. How many fans get scalped by scalpers each year. Last year 14,000 fans got scalped at a typical $3000 per. (Some players scalp their own friends too but at half that.)

The Super Bowl fans vote with their ticket. Not quite an identical comparison, but not a bad one as points of numerical and statistical reference go.
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Hmm... Is your theory that many of those sitting in the Super Bowl had no tickets?
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

joG said:
And we will be able to hold it up as such, when they have been proven wrong.
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While counties spend money that could be used to feed and shelter homeless, fix roads, pay for infrastructure, fund social services, help with healthcare for children. I wonder who's budget gets cut to pay for this. None of that matters as long as the vote that isn't going to change gets counted for some inane reason. Yay Jill Stein :roll:
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Zyphlin said:
Thank you for being one of the few that admits this isn't some care for the integrity of the election and that such claims are largely hollow and fraudulent, but rather this is sigularly a care about a potential chance of swinging it so the other side wins, and that is the only actual purpose.

Nothing wrong with that thinking, but it's be nice if others were as transparent instead of acting as if they care that "every vote counts" (which if they did, New Hampshire would be included by them, yet it rarely is)
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It is in fact like anything else.

Resources.

What resources does one have and how does one use the resources wisely, efficiently, with efficacy.

Resources plain and simple, same as anything else.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

ludin said:
No because they are 2 separate cases and nothing similar.
Mi Was going to wait 2 days to start the recount for some reason.

The judge in PA threw out the recount for lack of evidence of any kind of fraud.

They are completely different cases.

You really don't know what you are talking about.
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He keeps combining the two states so it looks like it is a "massive" problem. It is how one creates propaganda.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Fledermaus said:
Won.

That is the only word that matters in your rambling.

Won.
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Quite true... in fact I remember a quote.

"Elections matter. I won."

"You don't like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it. But don't break it. Don't break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That's not being faithful to what this country's about."

"Go out there and win an election."

- Barack Obama
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Tangmo said:
It is in fact like anything else.

Resources.

What resources does one have and how does one use the resources wisely, efficiently, with efficacy.

Resources plain and simple, same as anything else.
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HOWZAT WISCONSIN RECOUNT GOIN?

Not quite what you hoped for?
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Anthony60 said:
Obviously, we should just nullify the election and have a do over. I mean, we need to get this right. Hillary lost the first round, so something was terribly wrong. Let's get right to it, why waste time with these recounts? We'll do it again, Hillary will win this time, and there will be no reason to have a recount.
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Assinine. [sic]

Probably OTT.
 
Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Common Sense 1 said:
The new standard for presidential elections has been set! (If you are a democrat-green party only-republicans or Trump need not apply.)
From here forward if you lose just file for recounts. No need to
justify and reason other then you can not accept the results.

Keep recounting until you get the win that you want!

Once you win no more recounts will be allowed.
So nice how the new process will work.
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Two of the three states hadn't voted Republican for Potus since the 1980s, Pennsylvania since 1992.

Voters will vote as they choose at any given time or election.

However...

Let's take a closer look at this one.

Since November 9th Trump has lost almost 75,000 votes in the three states combined.
 
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Re: Federal judge orders immediate start of Michigan recount

Tangmo said:
Each of the three states hadn't voted Republican for Potus since the 1980s.

Voters will vote as they choose at any given time or election.

However...

Let's take a closer look at this one.

Since November 9th Trump has lost almost 75,000 votes in the three states combined.
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Funny how that happened? The fix is in!!
 
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