Re: Trump-Taiwan call breaks US policy stance
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1) I would like a world where lunatics don't go around actively seeking Armageddon. How's that?
2) "Our communist opponents" is sooooo 1953, y'know? If there's one thing the current Peking regime ain't, it's communist.
Your convictions being that a (by definition) vain attempt to save a small island in the East China Sea is worth blowing up the world. Great.
I repeat: It would piss me off too to see decent Taiwan taken over by the overlords of Peking. It just ain't worth WWIII, that's all.
What would you have done in 1949? And how would it have panned out...
I confess that this came as a surprise to me. But I don't attribute to her the stupidity of thinking that the US can actually save Taiwan if push comes to shove. Cuz -- for all your belligerent talk -- it can't.
And I agree with Foaming Don when he says "What was I supposed to do, refuse to answer the phone?"
The US doesn't even recognize Taiwan as a state! And you're calling it an "ally"? Sounds like Eye-Rayy-Ak all over again. Taiwan was long Washington's protégé, while China was militarily weak. Well, it ain't weak these days. Big difference there.
By the way, one Richard Milhous Nixon recognized all this 45 years ago.
Churchill was full of pithy witticisms (many misattributed to him, by the way). Anyway, he wasn't thinking of a small inconsequential island on the other side of the freaking Pacific. And if you're thinking you might get eaten by China (Cantonese cuisine aside), you must have some interesting nightmares.
The US has been THE Bully on the international scene for the past 70 years ...
"You", compared with Mao's lunacy in the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution? Yes, everything being relative. But Mao has been dead for 40 (count 'em) years, and must be spinning in his grave.
But very often you've been the Bad Guys. Of course I don't expect you ever to comprehend this.
You regurgitate history fairly well, you absolutely suck at analysis.
Who is "running around like a lunatic"? You screaming the world war is coming, the world war is coming? So Trump took a phone call, OMG.
You said, "I don't want to see Taiwan invaded. But is it in US interests to go to war with a superpower over this question? I don't think so. It's would just get a hell of a lot of innocent people killed, as usual with the many-many US wars, and as usual the US would limp out of it further weakened. This assuming that it didn't trigger a worldwide nuclear holocaust, which is the Big Danger and what is actually at stake here."
Who is pushing this to the point of a war? US or China? The US has no obligation, certainly not in our or our allies best interests, to back down in the face of an aggressive COMMUNIST regime.
The Chinese communists are not going to push a President Trump because they know he is not a weenie. No WW3, no threat of WW3 unless China actually wants/presses for it. Under those circumstances we accommodate/kick their asses.
YOUR history lesson: actually WW4. Cold War was indeed a world war, the third. Under American guidance, as opposed two under European guidance, the whole world did not suffer such misery, death and destruction. Should be a little more trusting of your protector. Not only saved your asses then, protects those same asses as we speak. Remember the trip wires there in Europe. We gave our promise, as a ally, to come to your aid. Will do the same with Taiwan. Think Europeans are the only ones deserving? All free peoples are worth saving.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Winston Churchill
When I write the book on 1949, I'll send you a copy. If smart, one doesn't wait until 1949, waiting until the game is over to start playing is not the way to win.
For all your hand wringing, China is not going to do a damn thing about Taiwan.
Taiwan= a friend, has been whether officially recognized or not. Still a free state? Think its because China doesn't want her...
Nixon was smart in many ways, cunning internationally playing the communists off against each other. Not omniscient and we still defended our buddies from the PRC, else they would now be PRC. We don't give up allies as fast as you folks. Bit more staunch, steadfast and loyal apparently. Unswerving support of our allies is our style.Lesson maybe your side of the pond should ponder
As a happy guy, I have few nightmares.
With alliess like you, who needs enemies? We save your ass, free your ass, help rebuild your ass then continue to protect your ass and you call us bullies. I'll be polite, not tell you/those that feel [ cannot really call it thinking] like you where they can stick it.
Defend the idea that we, the US,are the bad guys. Lets hear the vomit rolling around inside. Use your knowledge of history. Don't worry, I will be here to correct you.
