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Hungry Venezuelans Flee in Boats to Escape Economic Collapse

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Venezuela was once one of Latin America’s richest countries, flush with oil wealth that attracted immigrants from places as varied as Europe and the Middle East.

But after President Hugo Chávez vowed to break the country’s economic elite and redistribute wealth to the poor, the rich and middle class fled to more welcoming countries in droves, creating what demographers describe as Venezuela’s first diaspora.

Now a second diaspora is underway — much less wealthy and not nearly as welcome.

Well over 150,000 Venezuelans have fled the country in the last year alone, the highest in more than a decade, according to scholars studying the exodus.
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The political movement supposedly meant to improve the prosperity of the poor has resulted in the poor starving and feeling the country. Seldom have we seen so dramatic an example of a left wing regime running a country into the ground. And yet Maduro is still in power buoyed up by the military and a loyal and rich group of government operatives that have taken wealth and resources for themselves to the detriment of everyone else.

How long can this go on? If we look at Cuba we see that it's possible for such a regime to survive no matter how much they crush the people.
 
LowDown said:
New York Times



The political movement supposedly meant to improve the prosperity of the poor has resulted in the poor starving and feeling the country. Seldom have we seen so dramatic an example of a left wing regime running a country into the ground. And yet Maduro is still in power buoyed up by the military and a loyal and rich group of government operatives that have taken wealth and resources for themselves to the detriment of everyone else.

How long can this go on? If we look at Cuba we see that it's possible for such a regime to survive no matter how much they crush the people.
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It reminds me a lot of what obama has tried to do to America
 
LowDown said:
New York Times



The political movement supposedly meant to improve the prosperity of the poor has resulted in the poor starving and feeling the country. Seldom have we seen so dramatic an example of a left wing regime running a country into the ground. And yet Maduro is still in power buoyed up by the military and a loyal and rich group of government operatives that have taken wealth and resources for themselves to the detriment of everyone else.

How long can this go on? If we look at Cuba we see that it's possible for such a regime to survive no matter how much they crush the people.
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Yet, the conga line of Hollywood liberals that rushed to the side of that country's dictators to give them not only legitimacy, but photo ops still praise governments like this....Liberals love this kind of control....Let's hope they never succeed with that here.
 
Van Basten said:
Left wing kleptocrats have done a fine job destroying that country.




No, no it is not.

What is wrong with you?
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Maybe not to the extreme that Venezuela has done, but many of the policies are similar to what progressives would like to see...In this country they mistakenly think that they can do it successfully....
 
Van Basten said:
Left wing kleptocrats have done a fine job destroying that country.

No, no it is not.

What is wrong with you?
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Nothing.

America is a special place with stronger democratic traditions than Venezuela had so so obama has not been as successful in America as the little redent was in his country

But obama sure wanted to be
 
What also strikes me is how the Left-wing NYT is candidly showing the destructive effects of runaway socialist policies. I've always noticed how the NYT favorably reports on Left-wing politics all over the world, except one place - South America.

There's a reason for this.
 
j-mac said:
Yet, the conga line of Hollywood liberals that rushed to the side of that country's dictators to give them not only legitimacy, but photo ops still praise governments like this....Liberals love this kind of control....Let's hope they never succeed with that here.
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That is true as long as the money being taken doesn't come from them.
 
sanman said:
What also strikes me is how the Left-wing NYT is candidly showing the destructive effects of runaway socialist policies. I've always noticed how the NYT favorably reports on Left-wing politics all over the world, except one place - South America.

There's a reason for this.
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Do you think it's possible to present events in Venezuela in a favorable light?
 
LowDown said:
Do you think it's possible to present events in Venezuela in a favorable light?
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Usually they tend to focus on the one favorable thing, ie Cuban healthcare for all, or free collage for all type of thing, all the time ignoring the myriad of problems that face the average people....Oh, and when they do focus on things like that, they usually buy into the sitting dictators propaganda visions of these things, NOT what is the reality...
 
LowDown said:
New York Times

"Now a second diaspora is underway — much less wealthy and not nearly as welcome."
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Wow, the NYT just can't help themselves. Even in the ruin that is Venezuela they still see the exodus of upper and middle class a "welcome"?
 
Mayors in many cities are welcoming all illegals to "come on in" and pitch your tent. New York, L.A., Chicago, and others.

All for political power at the expense of the middle and lower class citizens.
 
If Venezuela's troubles are really due to a left wing redistribution of wealth, why aren't hungry people fleeing Denmark?
 
j-mac said:
Twice the distance for one.....What a weird question.
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Not really. There are other nations around the world that have tried some of the same sorts of things that were done in Venezuela, with quite different results. I'm thinking that their troubles are due to an economy dependent on too few industries rather than their central government or any sort of a "left" vs "right" philosophy.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If Venezuela's troubles are really due to a left wing redistribution of wealth, why aren't hungry people fleeing Denmark?
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That a good question

Is california's socialist future likely to be more like spanish speaking venezuela or denmark?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Not really. There are other nations around the world that have tried some of the same sorts of things that were done in Venezuela, with quite different results. I'm thinking that their troubles are due to an economy dependent on too few industries rather than their central government or any sort of a "left" vs "right" philosophy.
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And why do you think that their industry has disappeared? Venezuela used to be the "Jewel" of Central America....One of the richest nations in that region for sure.....So, tell us why the system they switched to is doing so poorly?
 
Dittohead not! said:
If Venezuela's troubles are really due to a left wing redistribution of wealth, why aren't hungry people fleeing Denmark?
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The leftists in Venezuela didn't manage things very well, and they keep making mistakes. They nationalized industries and ran them into the ground one by one, destroying Venezuela's productive capacity. They spent too much on social programs and didn't scale back spending when revenues shrank. They printed too much money and devalued their currency.

Rather than running multinational corporations off, like Venezuela, Denmark welcomes them. Rather than nationalizing and taking control of industries, Denmark has corporations run by the business people, who run them well. Rather than spending too much, Denmark stays within its means, which are high because of oil income. Rather than run off the scientific and technical people, Denmark retains them with a high standard of living. Rather than printing too much money, Denmark has a well run monetary system.

A country may choose to have a high level of government services and high taxes as long as everything is reasonably well managed; i.e., the businesses are run by businessmen, the oil companies are run by oil men, etc. In Venezuela they made a mess of it mainly by way of trying to take control of the means of production, which seems to happen with sickening frequency where left wing regimes are concerned.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Not really. There are other nations around the world that have tried some of the same sorts of things that were done in Venezuela, with quite different results. I'm thinking that their troubles are due to an economy dependent on too few industries rather than their central government or any sort of a "left" vs "right" philosophy.
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No their troubles are due to massive Govt intervention for the purpose of spreading " equality and fairness " and that Govt literally destroying their economy in the process.

It was the Venezuelan Gov that decided to build a economy around a volatile commodity and it was the Govts decision to Nationalize Venezuelas wealth producting industries and run them into the ground.

It was also the Venezuelans Govts decision to start printing money as a way to increase revenues.

Madruro was a bus driver, a economically illiterate Left wing Socialist and wow does it show
 
j-mac said:
Maybe not to the extreme that Venezuela has done, but many of the policies are similar to what progressives would like to see...In this country they mistakenly think that they can do it successfully....
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Uh, no.

Mac77 said:
Nothing.

America is a special place with stronger democratic traditions than Venezuela had so so obama has not been as successful in America as the little redent was in his country

But obama sure wanted to be
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You have no idea what you're talking about. It's scary to see when coupled with how assured you are.

Dittohead not! said:
If Venezuela's troubles are really due to a left wing redistribution of wealth, why aren't hungry people fleeing Denmark?
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Social democracy =/ pseudo-"socialist" kleptocracy.

Denmark is run by competent, left wing capitalist progressives with integrity. It's very different from what's going on in Venezuela where under the cloak of "Chavismo," the elite have plundered the nation's wealth from their cronies and ruined its economic/commercial institutions.
 
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Van Basten said:
Uh, no.



You have no idea what you're talking about. It's scary to see when coupled with how assured you are.
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You sound pretty sure of yourself too

But attacking me instead of at least offering a feeble counter argument is just wasting my time
 
j-mac said:
And why do you think that their industry has disappeared? Venezuela used to be the "Jewel" of Central America....One of the richest nations in that region for sure.....So, tell us why the system they switched to is doing so poorly?
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Venezuela isn't in Central America, so I fail to see how it could be the jewel of that region.
 
LowDown said:
New York Times



The political movement supposedly meant to improve the prosperity of the poor has resulted in the poor starving and feeling the country. Seldom have we seen so dramatic an example of a left wing regime running a country into the ground. And yet Maduro is still in power buoyed up by the military and a loyal and rich group of government operatives that have taken wealth and resources for themselves to the detriment of everyone else.

How long can this go on? If we look at Cuba we see that it's possible for such a regime to survive no matter how much they crush the people.
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Communism at work.
 
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