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Trump picks charter school advocate Betty Devoss[W:286:799]*************

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justabubba said:
no. i believe that in order to accomplish an agenda, one must first understand what that agenda is
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False. You teach them the agenda without explaining the labels or names involved in that and the end goal. They go out and fulfill the goals without ever knowing what they are really accomplishing. Its indoctrination and its EXTREMELY effective.
 
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haymarket said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...205c9c-b1a7-11e6-bc2d-19b3d759cfe7_story.html

This is the equivalent of picking a twenty year hardened hooker who works truck stops to be in charge of your states assistance program.

From 2011 - 14 I worked in the State Legislature in Michigan and Betty Devos would make the Top Ten Enemies of Public education list.

This is disgraceful and no doubt will be heralded and praised by the far right who want to destroy the public schools in our nation.
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Excellent choice Trump ! And yes, the Teachers Unions are in a uproar as is every butthurt Hillary supporter

Just more evidence of what a fantastic choice this was
 
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haymarket said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...205c9c-b1a7-11e6-bc2d-19b3d759cfe7_story.html

This is the equivalent of picking a twenty year hardened hooker who works truck stops to be in charge of your states assistance program.

From 2011 - 14 I worked in the State Legislature in Michigan and Betty Devos would make the Top Ten Enemies of Public education list.

This is disgraceful and no doubt will be heralded and praised by the far right who want to destroy the public schools in our nation.
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I figure that if even Slate can't find a conspiracy in this selection your concerns may well be artificially inflated. Granted, Slate doesn't endorse the choice but their opposition is decidedly tepid.

How Trump and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos could gut public education.
 
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Watch out! The teachers union will be going to Defcon 5 Alert!
Get ready for the doom and gloom stories from the NYT and Washington Post!
And then the rest of the lap dog media will follow their lead.
 
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Senator Jack said:
Here. Let's clear this up. Heard she came up the back steps at Trump Tower just as Jarred was coming in the front door with a sack full of Tic Tacs. Come to your own conclussion.
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Still butthurt over Hillary's loss I see.
 
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justabubba said:
why should common core be found to be garbage?
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I guess you have never had to deal with it. I have and I do.
It is a disaster. It is not on the level an elementary student can understand.

The questions are very unclear and abstract and in some cases you can't figure out what they are
Asking or looking for.

Yet they expect elementary kids to understand it.

I have had to go back and teach my daughter the correct way and simple way to do things
Because she gets so frustrated over her math work.

The people that designed it obvious never had kids.
 
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fmw said:
I think the conservatives are simply trying keep as much activity as possible away from the federal government. It probably has little to do with education. Like others, I see nothing positive in having federal government get involved in education.
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That's because you haven't been paying close attention.

States are sloths and rely on the feds to give them some direction--and that includes from conservative-controlled administrations. Our modern graduation requirement system was virtually created by the feds, as was much of their accountability system.

For months I sat and watched my state's education department finally decide to tackle high drop out rates among certain demographics--only because the feds told them to focus on one of a dozen possible metrics. The data we gathered to find the problem came as a result of federal involvement (state assessments), the identification of the problem came as a result of the feds (feds required regular data collection on student achievement and attainment by demographic category), the identification of an improvement plan came as a result of the feds prodding. The only thing my state did was react.

Now they think they are geniuses for doing it.
 
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justabubba said:
if that was a valid correlation, then why is it that states with teachers' unions tend to show better student performance than those states without teachers' unions
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No idea. Correlation is not causation, perhaps?

But wouldn't a more pertinent comparison to draw be between teachers union schools and charter schools?
Of course expense per pupil would also have to be part of that comparison.
 
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sanman said:
As per my previous post, Betsy Devos does NOT support Common Core.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...l-advocate-betty-devoss-4.html#post1066581146
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I know very few people that do including school admins.
I met some waiting on a plane. They were admins for louden county va.

I mentioned common core and they rolled their eyes like we know we know.
The problem is that schools and states want all the money that comes with it.
 
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ludin said:
I guess you have never had to deal with it. I have and I do.
It is a disaster. It is not on the level an elementary student can understand.

The questions are very unclear and abstract and in some cases you can't figure out what they are
Asking or looking for.

Yet they expect elementary kids to understand it.

I have had to go back and teach my daughter the correct way and simple way to do things
Because she gets so frustrated over her math work.

The people that designed it obvious never had kids.
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You're talking about the curriculum that's based on the Common Core standards, not the standards themselves. The curriculum is created by multi-million dollar companies that have to keep creating new ways of teaching or doing the exact same thing and calling it something different in order to sell their products. School administrators freak out thinking they need the latest and greatest programs and then finally their school will start improving. Does it work? I have yet to see it work in my district.
 
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Fiddytree said:
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That's because you haven't been paying close attention.

States are sloths and rely on the feds to give them some direction--and that includes from conservative-controlled administrations. Our modern graduation requirement system was virtually created by the feds, as was much of their accountability system.

For months I sat and watched my state's education department finally decide to tackle high drop out rates among certain demographics--only because the feds told them to focus on one of a dozen possible metrics. The data we gathered to find the problem came as a result of federal involvement (state assessments), the identification of the problem came as a result of the feds (feds required regular data collection on student achievement and attainment), the identification of an improvement plan came as a result of the feds. The only thing my state did was react.
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I've paid very close attention. In fact I was a high school teacher decades ago so I have some personal experience with the educational sector. At least the local sloths are likely less corrupt than the federal sloths. Federal government has no business being involved in education in any way. The department of education should be closed down. Education doesn't need data at the federal level. What it needs is accountability. The lack of it creates sloths.
 
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justabubba said:
then we agree that we want the education system to work for all of our kids

please explain how carving out funding from the public education system to subsidize private school tuition for some is going to made our nation's ed system better for all
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Well the current system sure isn't doing that, maybe be tolerant of new ideas and see how they work out first instead of demanding we keep making the same failed choices over and over again?
 
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Napoleon said:
Study after study into the effectiveness of voucher programs found no significant improvement in academic performance among those students who had been transplanted from public schools into private schools. That should tell anyone who is paying attention that the problem is not our schools or our teachers, but with the students and their parents. Charter schools have proven time and time again to be nothing more than a scam perpetrated against the taxpayers.
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I was not supporting anything with that post and I can not speak towards the success of charter schools since I have never looked into the matter.
 
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jmotivator said:
I'm just giving you a a taste of what it like to run against a Democrat.
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You not making sense gives nobody a sense of anything.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
False. You teach them the agenda without explaining the labels or names involved in that and the end goal. They go out and fulfill the goals without ever knowing what they are really accomplishing. Its indoctrination and its EXTREMELY effective.
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Not that I'm agreeing with the claim of indoctrination into communism made by another poster, but you're right that all you need to do is teach them the concept and the beliefs of the ideology. Once they agree with the belief structure then it's simply a matter of waiting until they grow up and fight for those beliefs on their own. In time no one will know exactly where the source of it all started and all branches of the indoctrination chain will be automatic.
 
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sanman said:
You called somebody a prostitute and then said you never called them a prostitute. :confused:

She's certainly someone with a firm position on the question of what should be done to reform education. This is not some wishywashy middling choice. This is a choice for change.
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NO - never did . But feel free to try and prove that charge with a direct quote.
 
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eohrnberger said:
'destroy the public teachers unions in our nation' - There, fixed it for you.

May not be a bad thing either. The US spends far, far more than any other developed country, and has only poor performance and results to show for it. In addition, the children come out as liberal / progressive indoctrinated bots. All we have to do is look at what they are doing in college campuses with their safe zones, play doh, and therapy dogs all just for the election results. No future leaders of the nation there.

The teachers unions may very well be part of the problem.
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No doubt if they came out chanting the memes you prefer for your ideology everything would be hunky dory with you.
 
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apdst said:
Are you worried that kids might graduate educated insteand of indoctrinated in the communist agenda?
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That is so over the top and inane that it insults itself and the person who wrote it.
 
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haymarket said:
NO - never did . But feel free to try and prove that charge with a direct quote.
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No, all you did was use them in a metaphor as comparable to a prostitute. Which says more about you than her, but hey, only Republicans are misogynists, right?
 
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OpportunityCost said:
What we have in the initial post is an avowed Democrat leftist pissing himself because Trump nominated someone that dislikes the direction our education system is going...but so do a lot of Americans. She is quite conservative, so I agree with her and there is no flip flopping involved.

Quit trying to fix what isn't broken.
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You confuse a private for profit system answerable to nobody but its owners and stock holders with OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM which is now and always has been the public education system.
 
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Josie said:
You're talking about the curriculum that's based on the Common Core standards, not the standards themselves. The curriculum is created by multi-million dollar companies that have to keep creating new ways of teaching or doing the exact same thing and calling it something different in order to sell their products. School administrators freak out thinking they need the latest and greatest programs and then finally their school will start improving. Does it work? I have yet to see it work in my district.
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same thing. it is all garbage. there is no difference.
 
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Renae said:
Conservatives have no desire to destroy education, we want it to work, to provide students with real educations. Don't be dishonest.
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In Michigan, where Devos,her family and her political allies operated - she showed no such inclination or desire. Everything was about private for profit charter schools at the expense of the public education system.
 
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haymarket said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...205c9c-b1a7-11e6-bc2d-19b3d759cfe7_story.html

This is the equivalent of picking a twenty year hardened hooker who works truck stops to be in charge of your states assistance program.

From 2011 - 14 I worked in the State Legislature in Michigan and Betty Devos would make the Top Ten Enemies of Public education list.

This is disgraceful and no doubt will be heralded and praised by the far right who want to destroy the public schools in our nation.
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You mad bro? I for one applaud this, Charter Schools > your brainwashing centers. Michele Rhee was right.
 
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fmw said:
Excellent. If you don't like her then she must be the perfect choice.
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For those who want to destroy public education - yes she is.
 
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