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Potential Trump Cabinet pick reveals DHS plans in photo

NonoBadDog said:
I could be a purple unicorn that craps gold bricks and flies. Your "gotcha" moment turned out to be a horse apple. You are driven to convince us that it is an orange. Horse apples and oranges.
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They both involve carelessness with information. They both entail informational security.

Can you even acknowledge that this prospective cabinet member should exercise more care?
 
Absentglare said:
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They both involve carelessness with information. They both entail informational security.

Can you even acknowledge that this prospective cabinet member should exercise more care?
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Your argument is pathetic at best. The document you are fomenting about is a proposal generated by the senator and not by the government. It isn't classified information. You broke both legs jumping to an idiotic conclusion. There is no "national security information" here. Really, just stop.

:beatdeadhorse
 
NonoBadDog said:
Your argument is pathetic at best. The document you are fomenting about is a proposal generated by the senator and not by the government. It isn't classified information. You broke both legs jumping to an idiotic conclusion. There is no "national security information" here. Really, just stop.

:beatdeadhorse
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My argument doesn't specify whether information is classified. Focus. Hillary used her private server as a substitute for an UNCLASSIFIED server. If you attack carelessness with UNCLASSIFIED information when Hillary is to "blame", but make excuses for that same behavior (read carefully: being careless with information) when a republican does it, you imply an explanation for your discrepancy.
 
jmotivator said:
So what is the issue here? All the measures mentioned, if enacted, would be public knowledge and are in line with what Trump said publicly on the campaign trail. Don't admit Muslims with terrorist ties, stop the flood of Syrian immigrants until effective vetting procedures are in place, etc. etc.

What amazes me is that people oppose this...
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The document was not classified. Correct that it is in line with what Trump stated.
I had to laugh as this was in all probability a briefing document, and he is a potential nominee for DHS.
And there it was face out for the reportes to take photos.
 
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Fenton said:
Sounds like a plan to me ! Trumps immigration initiative was supported by 10s of millions of Americans, he also won, and you people lost. So whine and cry all you want about his cabinet positions picks, the point is he still gets to make them
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Thank you for the proliferation of the growing hate war between the GOP and DNC tribes. So long as you have control of the reins, nothing else matters, not civil rights, not the constitution, not the rule of law....

No wonder nothing ever gets done. Every election is treated as punishment for the people who didn't vote for them, "the good of the nation" has become a talking point.+
 
Absentglare said:
My argument doesn't specify whether information is classified. Focus. Hillary used her private server as a substitute for an UNCLASSIFIED server. If you attack carelessness with UNCLASSIFIED information when Hillary is to "blame", but make excuses for that same behavior (read carefully: being careless with information) when a republican does it, you imply an explanation for your discrepancy.
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From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.
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For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.
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Quit shoveling the BS. It is ruining what little credibility you have left. Clinton's emails have nothing to do with this issue, regardless of your delusional post claiming so. This will be my last post wasted on this issue.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Quit shoveling the BS. It is ruining what little credibility you have left. Clinton's emails have nothing to do with this issue, regardless of your delusional post claiming so. This will be my last post wasted on this issue.
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You're talking about taking classified information and putting them on unclassified networks.

You're NOT talking about general carelessness with UNCLASSIFIED information.

The fact that distinction was unknown to you is shocking.
 
Absentglare said:
You're talking about taking classified information and putting them on unclassified networks.

You're NOT talking about general carelessness with UNCLASSIFIED information.

The fact that distinction was unknown to you is shocking.
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whatever
 
JANFU said:
Potential Trump Cabinet pick reveals DHS plans in photo | TheHill


Clearly up to par on security of documents and such. Right, neither the Dem or Repub elite are not subjected to the harsh penalties a lower level person would receive.

I had no choice but to rename this photo DUFUS WALKING
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Yes I am aware it has occurred before.
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Have you ever handled classified, confidential, or secret paperwork?

Do you see a classified,confidential, or secret stamping on the page top & bottom?

The only thing I see is liberals trying to build a mountain from a mole hill.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Have you ever handled classified, confidential, or secret paperwork?

Do you see a classified,confidential, or secret stamping on the page top & bottom?

The only thing I see is liberals trying to build a mountain from a mole hill.
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If that was a Democrat, many here would be all over it like stink on a fart. Is that correct? Yes/no?
 
JANFU said:
If that was a Democrat, many here would be all over it like stink on a fart. Is that correct? Yes/no?
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We'd probably be shocked that Democrats would be prioritizing security of U.S. citizens over non-citizens that happen to be part of a special interest group as it would undermine their identity politics position, which is a core pillar of their platform.
 
Absentglare said:
My argument doesn't specify whether information is classified. Focus. Hillary used her private server as a substitute for an UNCLASSIFIED server. If you attack carelessness with UNCLASSIFIED information when Hillary is to "blame", but make excuses for that same behavior (read carefully: being careless with information) when a republican does it, you imply an explanation for your discrepancy.
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Focus. She used it for a substitute for a lot of things, one of them being a violation of regulations regarding using private computers and a server to conduct official government business. I mean, if you want to leave out the whole improper handling and storing of Top Secret information from the conversation...
 
Fishking said:
We'd probably be shocked that Democrats would be prioritizing security of U.S. citizens over non-citizens that happen to be part of a special interest group as it would undermine their identity politics position, which is a core pillar of their platform.
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Not what I am talking about, but I have no disagreement with more in depth security checks. Did you think that I was not in favor of this? Do you think all Liberals as you cal them are against this? Yes- No
I was and still am against the blanket ban on all Muslims, and other wacko security (read Muslim Ban) political promises from Trump.
 
JANFU said:
Not what I am talking about, but I have no disagreement with more in depth security checks. Did you think that I was not in favor of this? Do you think all Liberals as you cal them are against this? Yes- No
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All liberals? No. A not insignificant number of liberals? Yes.
 
Fishking said:
Focus. She used it for a substitute for a lot of things, one of them being a violation of regulations regarding using private computers and a server to conduct official government business. I mean, if you want to leave out the whole improper handling and storing of Top Secret information from the conversation...
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You're all over the place.

Is she careless with government records? That's the argument that relates to the private server.

Did she harvest classified information? Obviously not, but right wingers lied about it for political purposes.

Two different criticisms. I'm drawing a parallel between the former, and you keep trying to dishonestly deflect to the latter.
 
JANFU said:
If that was a Democrat, many here would be all over it like stink on a fart. Is that correct? Yes/no?
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If it were anything near classified, the reporter would have been in some serious hot water, especially for making it viral.
 
RetiredUSN said:
If it were anything near classified, the reporter would have been in some serious hot water, especially for making it viral.
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And the fellow that exposed it would have been in prison? Yes??
 
JANFU said:
And the fellow that exposed it would have been in prison? Yes??
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As soon as Hillary is....Yes???? Oh wait....I almost forgot....Hillary=/=No Prison, Everyone else=/=Prison for sure....:roll:
 
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