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Seriously and selfishly I am worried about this.

StarWarsBob said:
I would not worry about it too much. The sub-conscious of America knows that another Republican administration would wreck the economy again, just like David Stockman explained in a three part article in the Wall Street Journal. The American people WILL NOT allow another Republican President to cut taxes and start another war again for the profits for the Military Industrial Complex.
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LOL, why is it that Hillary is pandering to the envious with her "the rich don't pay enough" lies? and what party has started most of the wars over the last 100 years? Not the GOP:
 
TurtleDude said:
you don't shoot recreationally on minimum wage. The average gun owner is wealthier and better educated than the average non-gun owner. shooting isn't the cheapest of hobbies. People buying 4000 dollar shotguns are 1200 dollar AR 15s tend to be at least middle class-usually much more affluent.
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Not to mention all the reloading equipment, cleaning gear, and survival items we "must" have...:lol:

Some of us poor people living in squalor even paid over $1,000 for a wall in our backyard to act as a backstop.

Of course that means I live in a tarp covered lean-to behind it, I guess.

NOTE: Isn't it funny how easy it is to detect those that are addicted to the left's Kool-Aid?

They make such idiotic statements like these and actually believe them.
 
TurtleDude said:
LOL, why is it that Hillary is pandering to the envious with her "the rich don't pay enough" lies? and what party has started most of the wars over the last 100 years? Not the GOP:
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So I take it that you disagree with David Stockman's assessment of the Republican party destroying the US economy? Or have you not read the articles? Or is it that you don't know who David Stockman is?
 
StarWarsBob said:
So I take it that you disagree with David Stockman's assessment of the Republican party destroying the US economy? Or have you not read the articles? Or is it that you don't know who David Stockman is?
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I actually attended a speech by david stockman many years ago. A local (now national) grocery chain called Krogers (started in Cincinnati, I think my extended family made a few million from Krogers stock) sponsored the speech and gave out (one of their generic brands) COST CUTTER CEREAL. Stockman appeared to have become a HAS BEEN and wanted to somehow resurrect his position in the spotlight-a spot light that had faded after the Reagan regime had ended. I don't buy into his revisionist crap.

what the Democrats do is to buy the votes of people like you by promising you more and more government goodies that they will "pay for" by taxing people like me more and more. and people like you lap those promises up because you want something for free and you think wealthy people like me somehow owe you something. and that is an effective strategy for buying votes. but one day the public teat is going to run dry, and people like you are going to be really upset when the Democrats run out of other peoples' money needed to buy the votes of people like you
 
TurtleDude said:
I actually attended a speech by david stockman many years ago. A local (now national) grocery chain called Krogers (started in Cincinnati, I think my extended family made a few million from Krogers stock) sponsored the speech and gave out (one of their generic brands) COST CUTTER CEREAL. Stockman appeared to have become a HAS BEEN and wanted to somehow resurrect his position in the spotlight-a spot light that had faded after the Reagan regime had ended. I don't buy into his revisionist crap.

what the Democrats do is to buy the votes of people like you by promising you more and more government goodies that they will "pay for" by taxing people like me more and more. and people like you lap those promises up because you want something for free and you think wealthy people like me somehow owe you something. and that is an effective strategy for buying votes. but one day the public teat is going to run dry, and people like you are going to be really upset when the Democrats run out of other peoples' money needed to buy the votes of people like you
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Something the left does not see in immigrants, legal or illegal.

They also do not see that in most places in the world, people have their own businesses. Even if it is Momma San selling fried peppers on the corner.

They are also incredibly faith-based.

Once they settle down into the American way of life, they will see the unproductive, and religion hating liberals in action and have nothing to do with them.

I offer as an example all (100%) of the CUBANS I knew and worked with in Florida.

Hard working, conservative Catholics. Traits the left hates with a passion.

PS...they also want to make themselves RICH at some point too. They do not see the rich people as a group to despise, but instead they see them as a group to aspire to, and be one of.
 
Turin said:
I have worked and saved and invested and have a really good IRA. Trump winning will crash the markets and take years to recover and being a halt to the gains made in the past 5 years in jobs and our recovery. The people supporting him have nothing to lose -- most of his base hates america and they are gun fanatics living in squalor.

They do not give a darn if he wrecks this country as they have nothing to lose.

Top Economists Spar Over Trump as Tighter Race Sinks U.S. Stocks - Bloomberg
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Seriously?

This post of yours has to be a joke.

Hate America? Living in squalor?

Yep, a joke.
 
Phys251 said:
Wikileaks. :lamo
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Funny, because Wikileaks has exponentially more credibility than your earlier statement that Obama pulled the US economy out of the ditch.
 
TurtleDude said:
I actually attended a speech by david stockman many years ago. A local (now national) grocery chain called Krogers (started in Cincinnati, I think my extended family made a few million from Krogers stock) sponsored the speech and gave out (one of their generic brands) COST CUTTER CEREAL. Stockman appeared to have become a HAS BEEN and wanted to somehow resurrect his position in the spotlight-a spot light that had faded after the Reagan regime had ended. I don't buy into his revisionist crap.

what the Democrats do is to buy the votes of people like you by promising you more and more government goodies that they will "pay for" by taxing people like me more and more. and people like you lap those promises up because you want something for free and you think wealthy people like me somehow owe you something. and that is an effective strategy for buying votes. but one day the public teat is going to run dry, and people like you are going to be really upset when the Democrats run out of other peoples' money needed to buy the votes of people like you
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Your characterization of me is amazing. I have never received ANYTHING free from the US Government. Furthermore, I don't feel that you or anyone else owes me anything. I'm retired and on Social Security, but I also have a pension and I work.

I am a Democrat because I identify with that party's VALUES. I detest the values of the Republican party, and I have been fighting against them all my life.

I see the Republican party as responsible for MOST of this counties problems, through financial product deregulation, corporate environmental deregulation, and a constant quest to destroy the middle class in this country.
 
Fenton said:
Funny, because Wikileaks has exponentially more credibility than your earlier statement that Obama pulled the US economy out of the ditch.
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Oh, that's right, we're worse off now than we were eight years ago. :roll:
 
Captain Adverse said:
:doh ...and with that one statement you have undermined your entire position. :coffeepap:
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Oh please. Your guys say liberals hate America every day. Don't get your panties in a bunch, bro. This forum isn't a safe space.
 
Phys251 said:
Oh yes, the Brits are in such a better situation now. :roll:
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Actually I think they are. Their currency has recovered and stabilized and economic forecasts look pretty darn good. I communicate with several people in Great Britain on a regular basis and they are pretty darn happy about how things are going.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Actually I think they are. Their currency has recovered and stabilized and economic forecasts look pretty darn good. I communicate with several people in Great Britain on a regular basis and they are pretty darn happy about how things are going.
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Of course they're not going to fess up to the problems relayed to them by "the elites" who are "out of touch" with their "needs."

People's wrestling away power from those who already have it is a very risky strategy. That's not to say that there doesn't exist a very high threshold past which such a course of action may need to be taken, but history is full of examples of that going horribly wrong.
 
Phys251 said:
Of course they're not going to fess up to the problems relayed to them by "the elites" who are "out of touch" with their "needs."

People's wrestling away power from those who already have it is a very risky strategy. That's not to say that there doesn't exist a very high threshold past which such a course of action may need to be taken, but history is full of examples of that going horribly wrong.
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Now who is in a better position to evaluate the situation. People who live and work in the United Kingdom? Or a hardcore liberal from Georgia? That really is a no brainer don't you think?
 
What any POTUS candidate must bring with them is stability. Hillary brings that.

No one can guarantee absolute stability due to uncontrollable and outside factors, but that a foundation for predictability exists is the bedrock of a POTUS candidate.

I plan on opening a business in early 2018. It'll be my third. What I've never had to worry about is not being able to find work. It's always been there if I went out and got it. That's all I want; the continued opportunity to find my own work. And the only thing that requires is a stable nation that won't be flung into god knows what territory by an ignoramus like Trump.

And we must have stable markets. Capitalism demands that there will be ups and downs; and that's acceptable because ups and downs are predictable in that things can't continuously grow without corrections of some kind, and with sound governance, the downs don't last too long and don't become too severe. As long as we adhere to the lessons of the past, we'll be okay. And Hillary can play that role, whatever else you might think of her.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Now who is in a better position to evaluate the situation. People who live and work in the United Kingdom? Or a hardcore liberal from Georgia? That really is a no brainer don't you think?
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Wow, that didn't take long for the ad-homs to start. :roll:

But since you want to make this thread about me and not about Brexit, I want you to look up the word slightly.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Now who is in a better position to evaluate the situation. People who live and work in the United Kingdom? Or a hardcore liberal from Georgia? That really is a no brainer don't you think?
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So you talk to every single person in the UK?
 
Phys251 said:
Wow, that didn't take long for the ad-homs to start. :roll:

But since you want to make this thread about me and not about Brexit, I want you to look up the word slightly.
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I don't think somebody 'slightly' progressive would dismiss good economic news from the UK as promoted by 'out of touch elites', speaking of ad hominem.
 
Sounds like you need to reevaluate your asset allocation.
 
Phys251 said:
(Trigger warning: I am going to bring race into this discussion.)



Of course they don't. Because the idea that Trump is tapping into economic anxiety is one of the single biggest lies of this entire election cycle. It's all about white anxiety, pure and simple.

We saw a very similar phenomenon with Brexit. Speaking of which, have you been watching what Brexit has done to the pound?

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How long has it been since 1 pound = $1.25, if it was *ever* that low before Brexit?! If the Brits wanted to inflict a wound on themselves, well, good job, they did it!
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I think you have absolutely 0 understanding of republican voters if you think the vote for trump has white anxiety is a significant reason for his support.

I would say the significant reason is pure irritation. Out right anger. Fed up with the liberal party line garbage. The being beaten over the head with how "bad " conservatives are. Being beaten over the head with political correctness" and the constant blame game coming from the Left. Basically? The hero worship of Obama. And my support is that support for trump falls into a cult of personality...that admires his "lack of political correctness." The fact that he just "says things." It isn't about what he does.

And then the other portion of his voters are the "well **** he won...I have to vote republican because I can't take anymore democrat BS, let alone a liberal Supreme Court."

Personally...even though I'm not voting for trump, I'm a conservative. I'm more concerned for my firearms rights than I am because i am "white."


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rocket88 said:
Almost as good as Trump. Yet you will vote for him.
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Trump is dividing no one. He is dealing with the division of the last eight years.
 
blackjack50 said:
I think you have absolutely 0 understanding of republican voters if you think the vote for trump has white anxiety is a significant reason for his support.

I would say the significant reason is pure irritation. Out right anger. Fed up with the liberal party line garbage. The being beaten over the head with how "bad " conservatives are. Being beaten over the head with political correctness" and the constant blame game coming from the Left. Basically? The hero worship of Obama. And my support is that support for trump falls into a cult of personality...that admires his "lack of political correctness." The fact that he just "says things." It isn't about what he does.

And then the other portion of his voters are the "well **** he won...I have to vote republican because I can't take anymore democrat BS, let alone a liberal Supreme Court."

Personally...even though I'm not voting for trump, I'm a conservative. I'm more concerned for my firearms rights than I am because i am "white."


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All these issues you brought up--putting aside whether they have basis in fact, let's assume for the moment that they do. Think about what type of charges you're bringing up here. Many of them come down to our calling you guys meanie-poo heads. And then there's the whole gun issue, which is a discussion in its own right.

By contrast, what are we trying to tell y'all? That human lives depend on the outcome of this election. That whether justice, better education, safer water, and all sorts of other issues directly involving real live human safety depend on whether Trump is defeated next Tuesday.

I'm sorry, but that is a night-and-day contrast. Our right to stay safe exceeds your right not to be called a meanie-poo head.
 
coldjoint said:
Trump is dividing no one. He is dealing with the division of the last eight years.
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Thanks, I needed a laugh.

Tell it to Hispanics and blacks....and anyone with a brain.
 
blackjack50 said:
I think you have absolutely 0 understanding of republican voters if you think the vote for trump has white anxiety is a significant reason for his support.

I would say the significant reason is pure irritation. Out right anger. Fed up with the liberal party line garbage. The being beaten over the head with how "bad " conservatives are. Being beaten over the head with political correctness" and the constant blame game coming from the Left. Basically? The hero worship of Obama. And my support is that support for trump falls into a cult of personality...that admires his "lack of political correctness." The fact that he just "says things." It isn't about what he does.

And then the other portion of his voters are the "well **** he won...I have to vote republican because I can't take anymore democrat BS, let alone a liberal Supreme Court."

Personally...even though I'm not voting for trump, I'm a conservative. I'm more concerned for my firearms rights than I am because i am "white."


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So the hero worship of Obama bothers you, but not the outright worship of Trump?
 
code1211 said:
With respect, Obama is the first president to avoid growth of more than 3% in any year of his presidency. Especially starting with things in the toilet as he did, this should have been a 1 foot put for 2010. Turns out he missed it.

That's impressive. During the great depression, 6 of 12 years exceeded 3% growth.

At some point, there has to be a link between what happened and what's been done to address it. Will Obama EVER be blamed for his incredible incompetence as a leader, a diplomat or a creator of the best possible conditions for growth?
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Where the hell are you getting these numbers?

US GDP Growth Rate by Year

Are you advocating Obama start a World War?
 
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