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Judge orders canceled NC voters to be reinstated

TurtleDude said:
you're right it never happens. Kennedy really did win all those votes in Cook county. Drink the Clinton crime family kool ade Comrade Clinton would never cheat. Just ask Bernie
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So you're going back to 1960?

If you've got evidence the "dead" are voting in the modern era, present your evidence counselor. When other lawyers were asked to provide evidence in court, subject to cross examination, they didn't even try.
 
TurtleDude said:
Kennedy really did win all those votes in Cook county.
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Nixon sent teams of lawyers looking for cheating to most of the states, even Hawaii.

They didn't find anything.

A team of historians went over the records, did a really nice job.

Nada, nothing, zilch, goose eggs.

That's the real world.

Now, if you ever want to know why JFK won, you will need to look closely at that election.

But I will give you a clue.

Eleanor.
 
late said:
Nixon sent teams of lawyers looking for cheating to most of the states, even Hawaii.

They didn't find anything.

A team of historians went over the records, did a really nice job.

Nada, nothing, zilch, goose eggs.

That's the real world.

Now, if you ever want to know why JFK won, you will need to look closely at that election.

But I will give you a clue.

Eleanor.
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Kennedy won because he looked better on TV and got tons of women's votes. Those who listened to the debate on the radio mainly had Nixon winning. Nixon looked bad on TV. He won the male vote
 
TurtleDude said:
Kennedy won because he looked better on TV and got tons of women's votes. Those who listened to the debate on the radio mainly had Nixon winning. Nixon looked bad on TV. He won the male vote
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Polls in that era contradict your claim. According to Gallup, Nixon won women (51-49), and Kennedy men (52-48). Nice try though.
 
American said:
2 woman arrested for election fraud in Miami-Dade County | Miami Herald
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Did you read what else YOUR reference stated? Here, since you couldn't be bothered to read the whole article:

The arrests come as Republican Donald Trump has claimed the presidential election is “rigged” to favor Democratic rival Hillary Clinton. There is no evidence of the widespread, systematic election fraud that would be required to swing a national election, though the Miami-Dade arrests show small, isolated cases of perpetrated or attempted fraud exist.

Read more here: 2 woman arrested for election fraud in Miami-Dade County | Miami Herald

Didn't the governor of Virginia just try to pardon a bunch of felons?

https://commonwealth.virginia.gov/judicial-system/restoration-of-rights/

Why yes he did, another Clinton lacky trying to cheat the election system. The Democrat motto "The ends justify the means" baby, the ends justify the means!
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Y'know, there used to be a saying that when someone had served his time in jail, he had "paid his debt to society". Apparently, to the conservatives, if one commits a crime, one never, ever, EVER is able to pay off his debt to society, and can never again be a full citizen of these United States.

Think about it, guy - have you ever committed what would have been a felony, but was not caught? Or do you know friends of yours who did so, but were not caught? I'd say that most men have done such and were never caught, or have seen such and kept their mouths shut about it...and then grew up and didn't do such stupid crap in the future. Whereas so many felons are those who did something really stupid when they were young, and got caught.

Yeah, yeah, I know, you and everyone you've ever known have been stellar citizens all your lives and have never ever done anything wrong, and so you feel justified to pass judgement on anyone else who has ever done anything wrong at all.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Did you read what else YOUR reference stated? Here, since you couldn't be bothered to read the whole article:

The arrests come as Republican Donald Trump has claimed the presidential election is “rigged” to favor Democratic rival Hillary Clinton. There is no evidence of the widespread, systematic election fraud that would be required to swing a national election, though the Miami-Dade arrests show small, isolated cases of perpetrated or attempted fraud exist.



Y'know, there used to be a saying that when someone had served his time in jail, he had "paid his debt to society". Apparently, to the conservatives, if one commits a crime, one never, ever, EVER is able to pay off his debt to society, and can never again be a full citizen of these United States.

Think about it, guy - have you ever committed what would have been a felony, but was not caught? Or do you know friends of yours who did so, but were not caught? I'd say that most men have done such and were never caught, or have seen such and kept their mouths shut about it...and then grew up and didn't do such stupid crap in the future. Whereas so many felons are those who did something really stupid when they were young, and got caught.

Yeah, yeah, I know, you and everyone you've ever known have been stellar citizens all your lives and have never ever done anything wrong, and so you feel justified to pass judgement on anyone else who has ever done anything wrong at all.
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The old pap that there is NO EVIDENCE of voter fraud is a leftwing talking point that has been dismissed by the right. Go find something a little fresher. Stating that there is no evidence, doesn't make it so either.
 
American said:
The old pap that there is NO EVIDENCE of voter fraud is a leftwing talking point that has been dismissed by the right. Go find something a little fresher. Stating that there is no evidence, doesn't make it so either.
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You've restated the proposition in a dishonest way - the actual quote is simple, and absolutely true: "There is no evidence of the widespread, systematic election fraud that would be required to swing a national election"

Of course "voter fraud" happens, but it's trivial. That's what all the evidence shows.
 
apdst said:
You have to appreciate the loyalty of the Left Wing.
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Judge Posner is a Republican. He also said...

"There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud," he writes, "and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens... Assertions about voter fraud are "a mere fig leaf for efforts to disenfranchise voters."


A conservative judge's devastating take on why voter ID laws are evil - LA Times

I love blowing mindless fantasies to hell, where they belong.
 
JasperL said:
You've restated the proposition in a dishonest way - the actual quote is simple, and absolutely true: "There is no evidence of the widespread, systematic election fraud that would be required to swing a national election"

Of course "voter fraud" happens, but it's trivial. That's what all the evidence shows.
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I posted at least one link that proved a governor making such an attempt. Here you are in denial.
 
late said:
Judge Posner is a Republican. He also said...

"There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud," he writes, "and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens... Assertions about voter fraud are "a mere fig leaf for efforts to disenfranchise voters."


A conservative judge's devastating take on why voter ID laws are evil - LA Times

I love blowing mindless fantasies to hell, where they belong.
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Well, he's not a "real" conservative, apparently. At least that is what I've been told at other times when quoting Posner. Of course he was right on the merits in that case, which is easy enough because all it requires is for a judge to trust in all the EVIDENCE.
 
late said:
Judge Posner is a Republican. He also said...

"There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud," he writes, "and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens... Assertions about voter fraud are "a mere fig leaf for efforts to disenfranchise voters."


A conservative judge's devastating take on why voter ID laws are evil - LA Times

I love blowing mindless fantasies to hell, where they belong.
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The only reason to allow voter fraud is because the fraudsters are voting in your favor. The difference being, one is illegal and one isn't.

What makes him a Republican?
 
American said:
I posted at least one link that proved a governor making such an attempt. Here you are in denial.
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A governor attempting to engage in election fraud? If you mean a republican governor supporting efforts to disenfranchise voters through BS voting roll purges or stringent ID requirements, then I agree. If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. Maye it was your reference to McAuliffe, restoring voting rights of felons. That isn't actually "voter fraud." You can disagree with his actions, but if/when those people vote, they will do so entirely legally as citizens of the U.S.
 
JasperL said:
Well, he's not a "real" conservative, apparently. At least that is what I've been told at other times when quoting Posner. Of course he was right on the merits in that case, which is easy enough because all it requires is for a judge to trust in all the EVIDENCE.
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I read the Posner/Becker blog for years. He's the real thing. When I see comments like that, what the guy is usually saying is that the person is not a radical reactionary. It's a common mistake, although the two ideologies are diametrically opposed.

The Becker-Posner Blog
 
apdst said:
The only reason to allow voter fraud is because the fraudsters are voting in your favor. The difference being, one is illegal and one isn't.

What makes him a Republican?
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He is very conservative, that's why.

You assume your conclusion, as proven in court, voter fraud is insignificant.
 
late said:
I read the Posner/Becker blog for years. He's the real thing.

The Becker-Posner Blog
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I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just telling you that he occasionally violates some right wing orthodoxy and is therefore now branded a RINO/CINO, same as Justice Roberts. I also read that blog on an off and on basis - Posner is a great writer and obviously incredibly intelligent and thoughtful, so was fun to read even when I disagreed. It's a shame Posner never got another sparring partner.
 
late said:
He is very conservative, that's why.

You assume your conclusion, as proven in court, voter fraud is insignificant.
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Link?
 
j-mac said:
Are you sure you're addressing the correct poster....When did I say what you said....? But, you could show me how many voters are possibly disenfranchised by purging dead people off the roles...
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...because lots of legitimate voters end up getting purged.
 
j-mac said:
It ain't so....

Loretta Biggs
Judge of the United States District Court for the Middle District of North Carolina
Incumbent
Assumed office
December 19, 2014
Appointed by Barack Obama
Preceded by James Beaty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Copeland_Biggs

Probably a typo, but CNN mis spelled her last name....One could say to try and cover up the fact that this is an Obama lacky Judge....
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If she assumed office 12/14, doesn't that mean she was vetted and confirmed by a (R) Senate...?
 
American said:
The old pap that there is NO EVIDENCE of voter fraud is a leftwing talking point that has been dismissed by the right. Go find something a little fresher. Stating that there is no evidence, doesn't make it so either.
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Then where's all the evidence that y'all use to dismiss the FACE that there's very, very little voter fraud? You'll find lots of evidence of voter REGISTRATION fraud (by both parties, mind you), but voter registration fraud is not the same as voter fraud...and does not automatically translate into votes. Voter registration fraud, FYI, usually consists of some individual who's hired to go out there and register people to vote, and who's paid a certain amount per name registered...and so a lot of them - being people who don't have another job and who need the money - decide to write in names of people in the cemetery, or names of people on a football roster, or whatever...and these registered names are only that - registered names...and NOT votes, and so they are NOT voter fraud. Most conservatives I've discussed this matter with are not aware of the difference, and equate voter registration fraud with voter fraud.

So feel free to submit your evidence for voter fraud. I'll be waiting right here.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Then where's all the evidence that y'all use to dismiss the FACE that there's very, very little voter fraud? You'll find lots of evidence of voter REGISTRATION fraud (by both parties, mind you), but voter registration fraud is not the same as voter fraud...and does not automatically translate into votes. Voter registration fraud, FYI, usually consists of some individual who's hired to go out there and register people to vote, and who's paid a certain amount per name registered...and so a lot of them - being people who don't have another job and who need the money - decide to write in names of people in the cemetery, or names of people on a football roster, or whatever...and these registered names are only that - registered names...and NOT votes, and so they are NOT voter fraud. Most conservatives I've discussed this matter with are not aware of the difference, and equate voter registration fraud with voter fraud.

So feel free to submit your evidence for voter fraud. I'll be waiting right here.
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I've posted it, but in true leftwing fashion...I hear denial.
 
American said:
I've posted it, but in true leftwing fashion...I hear denial.
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Oh, gee, shame on me for not automatically knowing where the heck in all your posts on all the threads that you posted on, exactly where you posted your supposed 'proof'.

Unlike you, when I make a claim and someone calls me on that claim, I either back it up...or I sincerely apologize for being wrong. But I guess that's what makes me a liberal - I'm not so insecure that I can't admit when I'm wrong about something.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Oh, gee, shame on me for not automatically knowing where the heck in all your posts on all the threads that you posted on, exactly where you posted your supposed 'proof'.

Unlike you, when I make a claim and someone calls me on that claim, I either back it up...or I sincerely apologize for being wrong. But I guess that's what makes me a liberal - I'm not so insecure that I can't admit when I'm wrong about something.
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Maybe you can post a link where you've ever apologized. And since it was you I provided links for, no apology is forthcoming.
 
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