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Voter fraud suspect arrested in Des Moines

MaggieD said:
I don't know the answer to that. But I do know this....Cook County IL sends out forms to request a mail in ballot. My cousin and her husband received two each, perfectly filled out with their names and addresses. Hmmmm.....
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I see mail-in ballots as the potential gaping hole in ballot security. Almost to the point of saying, "Why bother at all?", because of it.
 
radcen said:
I see mail-in ballots as the potential gaping hole in ballot security. Almost to the point of saying, "Why bother at all?", because of it.
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So many have fought and died to preserve our Republic, that I just can't NOT vote. You will too I hope.
 
danarhea said:
First person arrested in this election for voter fraud is a Republican. How's that for delicious irony? LMAO.

Voter fraud suspect arrested in Des Moines
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Why exactly is that ironic?

The only way it could be is if you assume that Republicans only meant for Democrat voter fraud to be caught, or had argued that only Democrats commit voter fraud.

The corollary, of course, is that Democrats must only be against voter fraud protection because they want to engage in and get away with it. Do you believe that to be the case?

Or are you saying it's "ironic" for some different reason? What, exactly?

Voter fraud is voter fraud. It is no matter who's doing it. It's a bad thing no matter who's doing it.
 
Harshaw said:
Why exactly is that ironic?

The only way it could be is if you assume that Republicans only meant for Democrat voter fraud to be caught, or had argued that only Democrats commit voter fraud.

The corollary, of course, is that Democrats must only be against voter fraud protection because they want to engage in and get away with it. Do you believe that to be the case?

Or are you saying it's "ironic" for some different reason? What, exactly?

Voter fraud is voter fraud. It is no matter who's doing it. It's a bad thing no matter who's doing it.
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Repubs are in here nonstop implying and flat out saying that its dems that are stealing elections with voter fraud via dead people and illegal immigrants... so there's that.
 
poweRob said:
Repubs are in here nonstop implying and flat out saying that its dems that are stealing elections with voter fraud via dead people and illegal immigrants... so there's that.
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And Dems are in here nonstop bleating that voter fraud doesn't happen and voter ID laws wouldn't work anyway. So?
 
Harshaw said:
And Dems are in here nonstop bleating that voter fraud doesn't happen and voter ID laws wouldn't work anyway. So?
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So your attempted spin that Repubs are trying to stop anything other than dems is BS. And btw... voter fraud is so small that it's statistically irrelevant which is why you GOPers have to cite silly one-off anecdotes just to pump up the faux rage on the topic. Get back to me when you guys give a **** about electoral fraud.
 
poweRob said:
So your attempted spin that Repubs are trying to stop anything other than dems is BS.
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You conclude this . . . based on anonymous posters at DP?

KILLER critical thinking skills you got there, chief.

And btw... voter fraud is so small that it's statistically irrelevant which is why you GOPers
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Apparently, anyone disagreeing with you MUST be a "GOPer."

have to cite silly one-off anecdotes just to pump up the faux rage on the topic. Get back to me when you guys give a **** about electoral fraud.
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^^^^
"There is no voter fraud, but there's 'electoral' fraud."

Whatever convoluted bull**** you think that means . . . :roll:
 
So as a convicted (if) class D Felon, will she lose her right to vote?
 
Harshaw said:
And Dems are in here nonstop bleating that voter fraud doesn't happen and voter ID laws wouldn't work anyway. So?
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Well, that's a good effort. 0 for 2 but an A for repeating nonsense talking points.
 
MaggieD said:
If we were required to present a state ID, this wouldn't happen.
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Not sure how you get there. According to the Google machine, Iowa doesn't require an ID if you've voted previously, but she was caught. So how does an "ID" stop this more effectively than registering, etc. which is how they caught this person. Also, are you saying if she had to show a SS card as ID instead of a state issued photo ID this wouldn't happen? If so, how does a "state ID" work better?
 
Harshaw said:
Ummm . . . OK.
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OK, quote anyone saying,

1) "voter fraud doesn't happen" or
2) "voter ID laws wouldn't work anyway"

Literally no one argues #1 and #2 is a complete misrepresentation of any argument against GOP style photo ID laws.
 
JasperL said:
OK, quote anyone saying,

1) "voter fraud doesn't happen" or
2) "voter ID laws wouldn't work anyway"

Literally no one argues #1 and #2 is a complete misrepresentation of any argument against GOP style photo ID laws.
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Are you sure you want to go with "literally" there?
 
Harshaw said:
Are you sure you want to go with "literally" there?
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OK, quote ANYONE on DP saying voter fraud "does not happen." I haven't seen anyone make that argument and certainly it's false that "Dems are in here nonstop bleating" that nonsense.

"Dems" know the evidence on voter fraud and all the evidence is impersonation fraud at the polls (the point of photo ID laws) does happen but is trivial in numbers - roughly a handful per large state per year, maximum. Absentee ballot fraud is far more common, and it's not addressed by photo ID at the polls.

And the argument against state-issued photo ID isn't that it won't "work" but that it's unnecessary, a long list of acceptable IDs including things like SS cards, or a paycheck stub or a utility bill and more work just as well, and that the type of fraud thwarted by state-issued photo ID is trivial, but the number of registered voters who will be unable to vote dwarfs the total number of impersonation fraud instances at the polls by something like 1,000-1, so photo ID does far more harm than good. Etc............................

So you created two straw men. Congratulations!
 
Harshaw said:
You conclude this . . . based on anonymous posters at DP?

KILLER critical thinking skills you got there, chief.
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Awesome work at quoting me in a way I wouldn't get the notification. Anywho... I'm discussing what people are saying in here so... what's your point?

Harshaw said:
Apparently, anyone disagreeing with you MUST be a "GOPer."
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Ok... maybe I shouldn't call you a GOPer... but you sure quack like that duck.


Harshaw said:
^^^^
"There is no voter fraud, but there's 'electoral' fraud."

Whatever convoluted bull**** you think that means . . . :roll:
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How the hell is you not knowing the meaning of words someone else's fault? :lol:

There is a difference.

Voter fraud is when a single voter commits fraud. Double voting. Voting and not being registered to vote.

Election fraud is when election officials manipulate the voting process. Voter caging, wrongfully knocking people off voter roles, voter suppression, flipping vote counts, destroying ballots... you know... all the **** the right doesn't care about but actually happens en masse, unlike voter fraud.

And now you know the rest of the story. Your welcome.
 
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JasperL said:
OK, quote ANYONE on DP saying voter fraud "does not happen." I haven't seen anyone make that argument and certainly it's false that "Dems are in here nonstop bleating" that nonsense.
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Of course they are.

Why, here's the President saying that "instances of significant voter fraud are not to be found."

https://youtu.be/QvrVOOjZdCA

And Dems here say the exact same thing all the time.

Why, I created a poll on the very topic:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/267612-voter-fraud-problem-6.html

A very open-ended poll where people could interpret it and respond any way they wanted, and I didn't even participate except to clarify the question.

Yes, yes, yes; you're going to be absolutist on that statement, yadda yadda yadda, "I/you meant ABSOLUTELY NO voter fraud," but weirdly enough, you're not going after powerRob's equivalent generality about Republicans.

I responded to him in exactly the same tone as his statement. You take me absolutely literally, when I didn't take HIM literally.

And the argument against state-issued photo ID isn't that it won't "work" but that it's unnecessary,
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You say that as though the two concepts are mutually-exclusive.

The Voting Fraud Bust that Proves Texas' Voter ID Law Is Useless - The Atlantic
 
poweRob said:
Awesome work at quoting me in a way I wouldn't get the notification.
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You're accusing me of being dishonest?

How exactly did I quote you in a way where you wouldn't get notification?

You're saying I monkeyed with the quote so you wouldn't? Demonstrate exactly how that is.

Guess what, sparky; sometimes the board glitches and notifications just don't come even when you're quoted. If you're such a miserable hack that you need to invent crimes of the other poster, that's not my problem.


Ok... maybe I shouldn't call you a GOPer... but you sure quack like that duck.
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Right, so anyone who disagrees with you must be "GOPer."

Guess what? There's a whole, wide, nearly-infinite spectrum of views out there, not just two. If you try really hard, maybe you'll be able to break yourself of binary thinking and a tribal US vs. THEM mentality.


How the hell is you not knowing the meaning of words someone else's fault? :lol:
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When you don't explain yourself, it IS your fault.

There is a difference.

Voter fraud is when a single voter commits fraud. Double voting. Voting and not being registered to vote.

Election fraud is when election officials manipulate the voting process. Caging, wrongfully knocking people off voter roles, voter suppression... you know... all the **** the right doesn't care about but actually happens en masse, unlike voter fraud.

And now you know the rest of the story. Your welcome.
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So, where are the documented "en masse" incidents of all of this "fraud"? This better be am impressive list, considering your statement here.
 
Harshaw said:
You're accusing me of being dishonest?

How exactly did I quote you in a way where you wouldn't get notification?

You're saying I monkeyed with the quote so you wouldn't? Demonstrate exactly how that is.

Guess what, sparky; sometimes the board glitches and notifications just don't come even when you're quoted. If you're such a miserable hack that you need to invent crimes of the other poster, that's not my problem.
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Maybe it was a glitch. I never got the notification. There used to be a poster in here that every quote he did was that way though.


Harshaw said:
Right, so anyone who disagrees with you must be "GOPer."

Guess what? There's a whole, wide, nearly-infinite spectrum of views out there, not just two. If you try really hard, maybe you'll be able to break yourself of binary thinking and a tribal US vs. THEM mentality.
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Funny thing is, you are talking JUST like one of the two of them. BTW... I've been third party most of my voting life so you can save the preaching.

Harshaw said:
When you don't explain yourself, it IS your fault.

There is a difference.

So, where are the documented "en masse" incidents of all of this "fraud"? This better be am impressive list, considering your statement here.
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Voter caging examples.

There are all sorts of other types of electoral fraud. Here's a list of types of electoral fraud that can and have be perpetrated. The key difference between voter fraud and electoral fraud is with voter fraud one voter may cause fraud. With electoral fraud one person can effect hundreds, thousands or perhaps millions of votes.

Sorry if I'm sounding overheated. I'll chill out.
 
poweRob said:
Maybe it was a glitch. I never got the notification. There used to be a poster in here that every quote he did was that way though.
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Oh, it was. Thank you for going back to include the apology.


Funny thing is, you are talking JUST like one of the two of them.
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Yeah. I guess everything I just said about wide spectrums of thought vs. single issues was entirely lost on you.



Voter caging examples.

There are all sorts of other types of electoral fraud. Here's a list of types of electoral fraud that can and have be perpetrated. The key difference between voter fraud and electoral fraud is with voter fraud one voter may cause fraud. With electoral fraud one person can effect hundreds, thousands or perhaps millions of votes.

Sorry if I'm sounding overheated. I'll chill out.
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Your first link (to Wikipedia, which isn't exactly "documentation") lists isolated instances over a period of decades -- how is that any more significant than the instances of voter fraud known to have happened?

Also, I didn't ask you for definitions of things which could happen -- I asked for actual documentation of things you claim DO happen, "en masse." Again, "en masse."
 
danarhea said:
First person arrested in this election for voter fraud is a Republican. How's that for delicious irony? LMAO.

Voter fraud suspect arrested in Des Moines
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Good on them for discovering it!

Just another sign that voter fraud is real, and there are those of us who don't give a **** which party it benefits.

The integrity of the election process is more important than which party claims victory in the end.
 
danarhea said:
Ah, here's the rub. In Texas, use can use a gun license as ID to vote, but you can't use a student ID. It's the way the laws are consistently applied by Republicans which makes them bad.
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Is the gun license government issued?

Is the student ID government issued?
 
Why are so many people under the impression that ID laws prevent this type of fraud?
 
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