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Federal judge blocks two abortion laws in Alabama

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(Reuters) - A U.S. federal judge on Thursday blocked abortion restrictions in Alabama that limit how close clinics can be to public schools and ban a procedure used to terminate pregnancies in the second trimester.

Judge Myron Thompson in the District Court for the Middle District of Alabama issued a preliminary injunction, ruling that the laws are likely to be found unconstitutional, according to online court records.

Chalk up yet another victory against the forced birther authoritarians.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-judge-blocks-two-abortion-laws-alabama-080733650.html
 
That guy once said that abortion rights are equal to gun rights. Abortions rights is something that came about from a court ruling, while gun rights is something that came about from an amendment speaking directly towards the subject. I fail to see how those things are on equal footing.
 
That guy once said that abortion rights are equal to gun rights. Abortions rights is something that came about from a court ruling, while gun rights is something that came about from an amendment speaking directly towards the subject. I fail to see how those things are on equal footing.

Hmm...well gun rights did not come about from an amendment; they are simply a part of each individual's inherent right to self-defense with the best means available. All the amendment did was insure the government would not easily be able, as most do and ours is still trying to do, to "legally" disarm citizens.

Abortions right's are also pre-existing, since the ability to abort a child is as old (if not older) than civilization.

The ancient Egyptians also practiced birth control. Abortion is one of the oldest medical practices, evidence of which dates back to ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome. Abortion techniques used by Egyptian pharaohs were documented in the ancient Ebers Papyrus around 1550 B.C.
Ancient Egypt Abortion - Ancient Egyptian Facts

Or you can check Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion

Women always had the choice, with permission or by hook or crook. :shrug:
 
Hmm...well gun rights did not come about from an amendment, they are simply a part of each individual's inherent right to self-defense with the best means available.

Abortions right's are also pre-existing, since the ability to abort a child is as old (if not older) than civilization.

Ancient Egypt Abortion - Ancient Egyptian Facts

Or you can check Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion

I was only talking about how the state came about those things. If the courts ruled against abortion rights they would be ruling against an earlier decision by the court, but if they ruled against gun rights they would be nullifying a constitutional amendment. I don't see how anyone can say the two things are equal.
 
Hmm...well gun rights did not come about from an amendment; they are simply a part of each individual's inherent right to self-defense with the best means available. All the amendment did was insure the government would not easily be able, as most do and ours is still trying to do, to "legally" disarm citizens.

Abortions right's are also pre-existing, since the ability to abort a child is as old (if not older) than civilization.

Ancient Egypt Abortion - Ancient Egyptian Facts

Or you can check Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion

Women always had the choice, with permission or by hook or crook. :shrug:

Or coathanger. :mrgreen:
 
Hmm...well gun rights did not come about from an amendment; they are simply a part of each individual's inherent right to self-defense with the best means available.

No, the right to bear arms is granted by an amendment.

Though British subjects had the right of self defense, the ability defend ones self with a carried specific weapon (as opposed to an improvised one) was not guaranteed.

Rather, the British crown reserved the right to restrict or ban the ownership of weapons as they saw fit. Outright bans were rare, restrictions, however, were and are common. The U.S. Second Amendment, however, guarantees the right to own weapons and also guarantees the ability to defend oneself with a weapon.
 
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No, the right to bear arms is granted by an amendment. Though British subjects had the right of self defense, the ability defend ones self with a carried specific weapon (as opposed to an improvised one) was not guaranteed. The U.S. Second Amendment guarantees such a right.

No, the right to bear arms is NOT "granted by an amendment," it is only guaranteed against government interference by the amendment.

A guarantee is only a promise to support something. A natural "right," like that of self-defense by access to the best means available, is something that simply exists in a state of nature.

You are confusing privileges granted by society with inherent rights one enforces oneself.
 
That guy once said that abortion rights are equal to gun rights. Abortions rights is something that came about from a court ruling, while gun rights is something that came about from an amendment speaking directly towards the subject. I fail to see how those things are on equal footing.

I think it is a fair comparison. Gun rights, as we understand them today, come from many court rulings that interpret the 2nd amendment a particular way. It is unlikely that the founding fathers envisioned Americans owning the modern guns today which would have massacred a musket men line in their time, but it has been interpreted as such.
 
I think it is a fair comparison. Gun rights, as we understand them today, come from many court rulings that interpret the 2nd amendment a particular way. It is unlikely that the founding fathers envisioned Americans owning the modern guns today which would have massacred a musket men line in their time, but it has been interpreted as such.

Sigh. I'm sure the founders were aware technology moves forward. I'm also sure that gun technology moved along quite a bit in their lifetime to the point where the precursors to semi-automatic rifles were invented.
 
Sigh. I'm sure the founders were aware technology moves forward. I'm also sure that gun technology moved along quite a bit in their lifetime to the point where the precursors to semi-automatic rifles were invented.

Did it? The founders were pre-industrialism. They were an agrarian economy. They wouldn't recognize the technological rate of progress by the middle of the 19th century, let alone anything that followed that. And if you went back in time and showed them an iphone they'd burn you as a witch.
 
Did it? The founders were pre-industrialism. They were an agrarian economy. They wouldn't recognize the technological rate of progress by the middle of the 19th century, let alone anything that followed that. And if you went back in time and showed them an iphone they'd burn you as a witch.

:roll: Considering that Jefferson himself owned one of the guns in question, yes, they were aware of it. To act like somehow they were so primitive that they didn't realize things advance is more than a little insulting to historical fact and to human intelligence.
 
Hmm...well gun rights did not come about from an amendment; they are simply a part of each individual's inherent right to self-defense with the best means available. All the amendment did was insure the government would not easily be able, as most do and ours is still trying to do, to "legally" disarm citizens.

Abortions right's are also pre-existing, since the ability to abort a child is as old (if not older) than civilization.

Ancient Egypt Abortion - Ancient Egyptian Facts

Or you can check Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion

Women always had the choice, with permission or by hook or crook. :shrug:

Yet some wish to ban the safe medical method for woman.
 
:roll: Considering that Jefferson himself owned one of the guns in question, yes, they were aware of it. To act like somehow they were so primitive that they didn't realize things advance is more than a little insulting to historical fact and to human intelligence.

The founders lived during the tail end of the Age of Enlightenment, so they weren't primitive, per se, but before the Industrial Revolution made its debut there's no way they could have foreseen the rate of technological advancement we're familiar with today.
 
That guy once said that abortion rights are equal to gun rights. Abortions rights is something that came about from a court ruling, while gun rights is something that came about from an amendment speaking directly towards the subject. I fail to see how those things are on equal footing.

Since the 2nd amendment was written so we would not have to have a large standing army and we have one now anyway, that 250 year old amendment is no longer valid. The Roe b Wade decision was made in our lifetimes and remains valid to this day. So you are right the 2nd amendment is not nearly as valid as Roe vs Wade. We would need to get rid of our armed forces in favor of State Militias to make it valid.

Turning to the historical context of the Second Amendment's adoption and to the debates preceding its adoption, as SCOTUS observed back in 1939 in United States v. Miller (a unanimous decision authored by the ultra-conservative James Clark McReynolds), when the Second Amendment was adopted:

The sentiment of the time strongly disfavored standing armies; the common view was that adequate defense of country and laws could be secured through the Militia.
Or, as Alexander Hamilton observed in Federalist Paper no. 29: "Standing armies are dangerous to liberty." The minutes to the Constitutional Convention reveal that the delegates spent much time discussing the proper balance to be maintained between a national army and the state militias. James Madison told the Convention: "As the greatest danger to liberty is from large standing armies, it is best to prevent them by an effectual provision for a good Militia."
The Second Amendment Has Nothing to Do with Gun Ownership
 
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Since the 2nd amendment was written so we would not have to have a large standing army and we have one now anyway, that 250 year old amendment is no longer valid. The Roe b Wade decision was made in our lifetimes and remains valid to this day. So you are right the 2nd amendment is not nearly as valid as Roe vs Wade. We would need to get rid of our armed forces in favor of State Militias to make it valid.

The Second Amendment Has Nothing to Do with Gun Ownership

I'm not interested in your leftist propaganda.
 
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