New Study Shows HIV Epidemic Started Spreading in New York in 1970

ludin · Oct 28, 2016

chromium said:
Seemingly every time this point is made, it's to draw a link between what the speaker considers immoral behavior and the disease, similar to other stds and promiscuity in general.

It's a bloodborne disease, that's it. If 100% of patients in a hospital unit were given AIDS via transfusions, you would be calling that a coincidence, but that is entirely in line with the cause. Anal tearing increases the risk of infection just like a large open wound in a person's hand. Morality has 0 to do with it

Yes at one point in time some people did get it through blood transfusions. They found out the cause and that is why they screen people and blood better than they did.
however the majority of transmissions are from drugs use and or sexual behavior. so yes morality has a lot to do with it.

Cryptic · Oct 28, 2016

Napoleon said:
It's also possible that HIV arrived both in Haiti and the U.S. via the slave trade.

Even accounting for a lack of full understanding of the medical issues in earlier times, the symptoms of the disease were first noted in the early 1970s. Likewise, once the symptoms were published, the disease was not prevalent among back Americans- especially in the rural south where one would expect to find it had it been brought during the slave trade. Rather, AIDS was first noted amongst urban homosexuals, mostly white.

ludin · Oct 28, 2016

Cryptic said:
Even accounting for a lack of full understanding of the medical issues in earlier times, the symptoms of the disease were first noted in the early 1970s. Likewise, once the symptoms were published, the disease was not prevalent among back Americans- especially in the rural south where one would expect to find it had it been brought during the slave trade. Rather, AIDS was first noted amongst urban homosexuals, mostly white.

it was probably first started with drug users or something else.
it had to go from patients 0 to elsewhere. so unless those people were gay
who knows how others contracted it.

like any plague it spreads faster than people can realize it. it has become a major issue before anyone can get it diagnosed.
the fact that they still have not found a cure for it shows that it is worse than anything else.

really the only way to stop getting these types of things is to not indulge in risky behavior.
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Erod · Oct 28, 2016

beefheart said:
Where did I say that? Where does the study say that? Why are making assumptions that aren't there?

The great thing about science is that it proves things, sometimes that means disproving things.

That used to be what science did.

Now it proves things that bring the most funding to the university, and ignores Scientific Theory that doesn't accomplish the same.

Napoleon · Oct 28, 2016

Cryptic said:
Even accounting for a lack of full understanding of the medical issues in earlier times, the symptoms of the disease were first noted in the early 1970s. Likewise, once the symptoms were published, the disease was not prevalent among back Americans- especially in the rural south where one would expect to find it had it been brought during the slave trade. Rather, AIDS was first noted amongst urban homosexuals, mostly white.

I remember reading that the strain from Haiti is unique - which isn't something that necessarily happens in mere decades. Given that HIV originated in Africa and black people are not native to Haiti, it seems more likely to me that the virus first arrived there as a result of the slave trade and evolved into its unique strain over time. The absence of blood and tissue samples that date to the slave trade makes it impossible to know for sure - the oldest sample dates to 1969 - but it could have played out that way.

chromium · Oct 28, 2016

ludin said:
Yes at one point in time some people did get it through blood transfusions. They found out the cause and that is why they screen people and blood better than they did.
however the majority of transmissions are from drugs use and or sexual behavior. so yes morality has a lot to do with it.

The dissonance here is just remarkable. Not to mention the hatred behind this stamp of approval is nauseating. Epidemics do not discriminate and infectious disease does not have a willpower that targets "immoral" behavior. If that were so, there would have been *zero* cases of sick kids in the hospital getting AIDS, not that private consensual sex has a damn thing to do the morality either, and the mere use of a condom wouldn't be enough to countermand it (further "immorality" being the triumphant prevention tactic)

ludin · Oct 28, 2016

chromium said:
The dissonance here is just remarkable. Not to mention the hatred behind this stamp of approval is nauseating. Epidemics do not discriminate and infectious disease does not have a willpower that targets "immoral" behavior. If that were so, there would have been *zero* cases of sick kids in the hospital getting AIDS, not that private consensual sex has a damn thing to do the morality either, and the mere use of a condom wouldn't be enough to countermand it (further "immorality" being the triumphant prevention tactic)

you seriously do not know how to understand what someone is saying.

The overall infections of AIDS comes from drugs and or sexual behavior. While there have been some that were given it through blood transfusions the majority of cases have come from the latter.
At risk behavior just as sharing needles and sleeping with many different people puts you at risk this is just common knowledge.

Kids that have AIDS in hospitals got it from their parents that were infected. During the 70-90's blood wasn't screened as well and people were infected. once they started doing better screening of
blood donor's the rate has gone down in a large way.

Your rant doesn't change facts. the largest transmission of AIDS comes from drug usage and sexual activity.

Cryptic · Oct 29, 2016

Napoleon said:
I remember reading that the strain from Haiti is unique - which isn't something that necessarily happens in mere decades. Given that HIV originated in Africa and black people are not native to Haiti, it seems more likely to me that the virus first arrived there as a result of the slave trade and evolved into its unique strain over time. The absence of blood and tissue samples that date to the slave trade makes it impossible to know for sure - the oldest sample dates to 1969 - but it could have played out that way.

Though it does say that Haiti has a particular strain, it still asserts that this particular strain was brought from Africa to Haiti in about 1969.
AIDS Virus Traveled to Haiti, Then U.S., Study Says

Such a transmission cooresponds to academia exchanges from Haiti to newly independent francophone Africa. Haiti not only had a surplus of educated people, but the fact that they are essentially Africans who had overthrown their colonial power 150 years earlier made them even more attractive to African rulers.

Also, a slave trade transmission would have introduced the disease into the American south amongst black Americans- and then to whites, particularly in creole areas from sexual contact with blacks. Yet, when the disease was first identified in the USA, it was near exclusively urban.