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Oklahoma Secretary of State says 'nyet' to Russian request to observe election

poweRob said:
Ok.. you are obviously emotionally invested in this... Putin is a crook whose political adversaries seem to often turn up dead and you think we should roll out the red carpet for HIM to monitor our elections... I'll just say I disagree with you.
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The same could be said of various regimes the US does business with. In the case of Putin & Russia, they do have some reason to believe that the West is out to get them, given that once the USSR collapsed the West quickly made excuses to keep NATO alive. First it was that NATO was the natural "Marshall Plan" to keep newly-liberated former East Bloc states afloat, then it was instability on the fringes like the Balkans, then it was that NATO could be useful for conflicts around the world and didn't have to be restricted to handling the former East Bloc, then it was that Russia was evil again, etc, etc. Really, keeping NATO around has only created a self-fulfilling prophecy of reviving Cold War antagonism - which is precisely the situation the NATO lobby enjoys most.

Meanwhile, all this obsessing over Europe allowed AlQaeda to rise while the US was on the Road to 9/11. After 9/11 occurred, then we saw all the "experts" scrambling around to explain how they'd really been closely monitoring AlQaeda's threat all along - it's just that they didn't get enough help, weren't listened to, sun was in their eyes, dog ate their homework, etc. Heckuva job, really.

Then they all got busy invading Iraq over 9̶/̶1̶1̶, W̶M̶D̶, m̶u̶r̶d̶e̶r̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶d̶i̶c̶t̶a̶t̶o̶r̶s̶h̶i̶p̶, ISIS, whatever. The Road From 9/11.

Now the other shoe is dropping, with the rise of China, which the US has no idea how to deal with. The same Europe-obsessed Atlanticist Democrats who devised America's Asia policy (aka "Pivot to Asia") have flubbed things up again, and the US is caught flat-footed once more.

But you just keep fixating on good ol' Putin - while letting everything else fall apart. :roll:
 
sanman said:
The same could be said of various regimes the US does business with. In the case of Putin & Russia, they do have some reason to believe that the West is out to get them, given that once the USSR collapsed the West quickly made excuses to keep NATO alive. First it was that NATO was the natural "Marshall Plan" to keep newly-liberated former East Bloc states afloat, then it was instability on the fringes like the Balkans, then it was that NATO could be useful for conflicts around the world and didn't have to be restricted to handling the former East Bloc, then it was that Russia was evil again, etc, etc. Really, keeping NATO around has only created a self-fulfilling prophecy of reviving Cold War antagonism - which is precisely the situation the NATO lobby enjoys most.

Meanwhile, all this obsessing over Europe allowed AlQaeda to rise while the US was on the Road to 9/11. After 9/11 occurred, then we saw all the "experts" scrambling around to explain how they'd really been closely monitoring AlQaeda's threat all along - it's just that they didn't get enough help, weren't listened to, sun was in their eyes, dog ate their homework, etc. Heckuva job, really.

Then they all got busy invading Iraq over 9̶/̶1̶1̶, W̶M̶D̶, m̶u̶r̶d̶e̶r̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶d̶i̶c̶t̶a̶t̶o̶r̶s̶h̶i̶p̶, ISIS, whatever. The Road From 9/11.

Now the other shoe is dropping, with the rise of China, which the US has no idea how to deal with. The same Europe-obsessed Atlanticist Democrats who devised America's Asia policy (aka "Pivot to Asia") have flubbed things up again, and the US is caught flat-footed once more.

But you just keep fixating on good ol' Putin - while letting everything else fall apart. :roll:
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Lol.... Russia and Putin are the topic of the thread. If your pissed that people aren't talking about what you want them to... Tough **** I suppose.
 
Putin opposition-activist Boris Nemtsov ... assassinated in front of the Kremlin on 28 February 2015

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WCH said:
According to the Left, they already are. Maybe they're interested in how the Left does fraud.
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So naturally what we want is more influence from our "biggest enemy."

Great argument, WCH.
 
Deuce said:
So naturally what we want is more influence from our "biggest enemy."

Great argument, WCH.
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IMO, China would be the greater threat.

BTW: how are those observers suppose to influence anything?
 
Simpleχity;1066455661 said:
Putin opposition-activist Boris Nemtsov ... assassinated in front of the Kremlin on 28 February 2015

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A lot of people who could incriminate the Clintons died under mysterious circumstances. Do you really wanna go down this path?
 
reinoe said:
A lot of people who could incriminate the Clintons died under mysterious circumstances. Do you really wanna go down this path?
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Yet another InfoWars conspiracy-theorist believer who knows, just KNOWS that if someone that the Clintons happened to have known, if that person died, then it MUST be because the Clintons had him killed! 'Cause everyone knows, don'tcha know, that the Clintons are homicidal maniacs who kill everyone who ever present a threat to them, right?

Just like all the Republicans and right-wing pundits and Clinton-haters who've died under oh-so-mysteeeeeerious circumstances over the years, right?

Oh, wait....
 
reinoe said:
A lot of people who could incriminate the Clintons died under mysterious circumstances. Do you really wanna go down this path?
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Can't stand that your boy Putin looks bad eh?

Here's another Putin victim...

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Anti-Putin journalist and author Anna Politkovskaya, assassinated in Moscow in 2006
 
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