Disgusting. It's like they wanted to make sure they were prepared for it in case it gained traction.
Appreciate the civility of the conversation, more should go this way.
Yes, it is difficult to make heads or tails of the mess. But Bill has a history of being a serial adulterer, he tried to hide that as well. There WAS a pattern established in the trial. Bill did twice get caught perjuring himself in this same trial, he was also caught, found guilty of trying to get Monica to lie, which is suborning perjury and obstruction of justice. With those he was disbarred and impeached.
If there were no merit there sure was no reason to go to such lengths to cover up all that he had done. You pick up clues as to guilt or innocence as best you can, where you can find them, which all goes towards an assessment of character.
Willey and Broaddrick profit none through this... if it weren't true why would they painfully allow themselves to be included in an ongoing saga, why not just fade into the background... unless it is principled, unless they feel he and she must be stopped?
Well first off, yes he tried to cover things up and he got in trouble for it as he should have. But what he was trying to cover up was a consensual affair. That's very different than rape. It's like saying that even though we don't have evidence that suspect A killed the victim, we do know that he lied about having some drugs on him, so we know he's a liar, therefor we can assume he killed suspect A. So I don't think your point really stands in my opinion. Now if we had a video of Clinton saying "Oh yea, I'm very slick, I can walk up and pull a girl into a room alone and screw her without asking. She might fight a bit, but she gives up eventually, and I won't get in trouble cause I have people to make sure she stays quiet" well then I'd definitely consider that when asking myself if he really raped a woman that's accusing him of rape. For Trump we have him on video saying he gets away with grabbing women by the ***** or just kissing them out of nowhere and we also have around a dozen women coming out and saying he did just this to them, so it all adds up to looking very damning imo.
As for whats going in on their heads, I have no idea. What I do know is that it isn't as simple as "well they are martyring themselves, therefor they must be telling the truth". Humans are terribly complicated, motives are terribly complicated, and our memory is not 100% accurate and changes over time based on how we remember the events. The explanation could be any of 100 scenerios.
1. They are telling the 100% gods honest truth, Clinton raped them, Hillary went to a fund raising event just to get in Juanitas face to threaten her if she told anyone etc. Personally, I could believe that Bill raped her, or that they were kissing etc, and she wanted to slow down and he kept going against her wishes or something like that. But I can't see his wife and all of this other stuff happening. The story sounds far fetched and conspiratorial.
2. They had consensual sex, she felt incredibly guilty about it, assumed that Hillary knew and hated her for it, had years of nagging guilt and turned it into a story of "I didn't do anything wrong, he wronged me!"
3. Nothing happened, and Juanita though she could get a book deal out of this, and changed her mind when Ken Starr did his investigation as reality slapped her in the face, then years later brought it back up in hopes of maybe getting a book deal, or a writing spot at a magazine, or give paid speeches etc. It's very easy to turn any kind of fame into money now a days.
4. They had consensual sex, Juanita was pissed that Bill never called back or even acted like he knew her, so she concocted a story etc.
Now, I don't know the odds and percentages of any of these, but I do know that they are all 100% possible along with countless others.
