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Three women accuse Trump of forcibly groping, kissing them

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SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...men-accuse-trump-of-unwanted-sexual-touching/
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This sort of thing is always extremely difficult to untangle. Women typically don't come forward after being violated, sexually abused, raped, etc. because of the extraordinary crap storm that surrounds their accusation. The assumption is inherently that they're in it for the money, and it only gets marginally easier when multiple other women come forward first as was the case with Bill Cosby. Unlike Cosby, however, the public air surrounding Trump is so perfectly toxic that it's likely these women won't be believed no matter what evidence they bring forward or how credible they are.
 
Fletch said:
I watched a clip of the lady who claims she was groped. She said something like 'if he had just groped me above the waist I would have been fine with it, when he went down below I got pissed.' The whole tale had the ring of a rock star who brings women backstage except Trump brought them from the back of the plane to first class. There is probably more to this story.
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Just watched it.

No, it had no ring of anything approaching a rock star vibe. That's projecting your own imagination over something that clearly wasn't there to any rational adult.
 
volsrock said:
So they only decided to come out and tell someone AFTER Arkansas story came out

Couldn't tell anyone about it for the 20 plus years before hand...hmmmm wonder where they got the idea to make the claim and get 15 mins of fame
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This is Trump's payback for his idiotic, suicidal decision to counter the 20O5 tape by going after Bill Clinton.
 
TurtleDude said:
do you know how she was forced out so to say? Wasn't Clinton impeached in 1998 and JB's allegations came out in 99?
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Why are you lying ?

"Rumors circulated about Broaddrick's allegations for many years, but she refused to speak to the media. In a sworn statement in 1997 with the placeholder name "Jane Doe #5,"[1] Broaddrick filed an affidavit with Paula Jones' lawyers stating there were unfounded rumors and stories circulating "that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances toward me in the late seventies... These allegations are untrue".[2]"

-wikipedia
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
So you obviously think the accusers of Bill Clinton are just lying opportunists then right? I mean for crying out loud one of them signed a sworn affidavit claiming it never happened and another was nearly indicated for perjury by the FBI, but the right wingers still trot them out like their allegations are credible. I am sure that out of consistency you were just as dismissive of them right? ;)
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Were you?
 
TurtleDude said:
cry me a river. There is a reason why there are statutes of limitations in most criminal statutes. This whole thing sounds fishy to me. but partisan hacks will celebrate such pawns until its done to their candidate.
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I'm not celebrating anything, i'm pointing out the hypocrisy in celebrating the Clinton's accusers while lambasting these accusers without evidence.
 
Absentglare said:
I'm not celebrating anything, i'm pointing out the hypocrisy in celebrating the Clinton's accusers while lambasting these accusers without evidence.
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turn that around. the people who complained most about Clinton abusing his power as an elected officer, are the ones most braying about how its great that these twits showed up after decades
 
Visbek said:
You shouldn't.

This isn't the first set of accusations.

Cassandra Searles went public in June 2016.

Jill Harth went public in May 2016.

Temple Taggart also went public in May 2016.

Discussing sexual assault is seldom easy; the events are often trivialized, the women vilified. Making it harder is that Trump is infamously litigious, and is already making noises about suing the NY Times over their latest article.

An audio tape of Trump describing how he grabs and kisses women at random gives these women motivation, as they are outraged by his denials; it also gives them support they didn't have just 1 week ago. So does more women coming forward. Two accusations today has already prompted a third.

Now, I won't say that every single allegation against him is true. But I do think this is only the beginning. This is going to be a total nightmare for the Trump campaign.
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Look, it may all be true. You want to make the case that Trump was (and is) an entitled, pompous, liberal scumbag you wont get an argument from me. For me the timing tends to disqualify them. If other women were coming out earlier this year, these women should have done the same--it might have saved us for a Trump nomination. But they decided to wait until October. That means their charges are politically based and not necessarily fact based.
 
When it rains, it pours ...
 
TurtleDude said:
lots of CEOs get fired for having consensual sex with a subordinate. Many courts have found that an imbalance of power means there is no real consent. If one person can fire another, then the consent of the subordinate is presumed to be coerced.
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Your implied argument that any boss who has any sexual relationship with any subordinate is guilty of rape is absolutely ridiculous.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Just watched it.

No, it had no ring of anything approaching a rock star vibe. That's projecting your own imagination over something that clearly wasn't there to any rational adult.
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Rational adult? Well than that excludes you from the conversation. You wont mind if I wait for someone else to view the video and I will discuss it with them. You can crawl back into whatever hole you just crawled out of :2wave:
 
Ikari said:
And now?
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I think that obviously Bill Clinton is a serial adulterer. However, the claims of sexual assault were found not to be credible and that was by independent council.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
So you obviously think the accusers of Bill Clinton are just lying opportunists then right? I mean for crying out loud one of them signed a sworn affidavit claiming it never happened and another was nearly indicated for perjury by the FBI, but the right wingers still trot them out like their allegations are credible. I am sure that out of consistency you were just as dismissive of them right? ;)
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Exactly!
 
Absentglare said:
Your implied argument that any boss who has any sexual relationship with any subordinate is guilty of rape is absolutely ridiculous.
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I didn't. I am implying that the courts have a very skeptical view that a subordinate can give free consent to someone who can fire him/her or cause his or her professional life to be miserable. Its why so many companies have non-fraterazation policies.
 
TurtleDude said:
turn that around. the people who complained most about Clinton abusing his power as an elected officer, are the ones most braying about how its great that these twits showed up after decades
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Who said it's great ?? I think it's absolutely ****ing awful that Trump may have violated these women. What the **** ?
 
TheGoverness said:
:sinking:
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and then the levees break and everyone gets damaged. none of the giddy Hillary fans seem to understand that she's setting new lows in "gotcha" nonsense. and people on the right will be happy to do the same next time round.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I think that obviously Bill Clinton is a serial adulterer. However, the claims of sexual assault were found not to be credible and that was by independent council.
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I was talking more about holding judgement on Trump until their claims are thoroughly investigated
 
Fletch said:
Rational adult? Well than that excludes you from the conversation. You wont mind if I wait for someone else to view the video and I will discuss it with them. You can crawl back into whatever hole you just crawled out of :2wave:
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Yes, rational adults. You know, the ones who can see right through the projection of your fantasies onto things that actually didn't happen.

Sorry that's upset you and that your dishonesty about what's on the video was exposed.
 
Absentglare said:
Who said it's great ?? I think it's absolutely ****ing awful that Trump may have violated these women. What the **** ?
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That sort of dishonesty is hilarious. I don't know who is telling the truth concerning these october surprise gotcha operatives but I can smell faux indignation a mile away and yours stinks rather patently
 
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