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Court-ordered voting site set for Nevada tribe in US suit

But American Indians ARE citizens who pay taxes.

And yet they don't have to follow State laws on tribal land. What citizen do you know of outside of Indians that can be on their own land and are allowed to ignore State Laws?
 
And yet they don't have to follow State laws on tribal land. What citizen do you know of outside of Indians that can be on their own land and are allowed to ignore State Laws?

The reason for that is treaty. The Indians don't live on the reservations because they chose to live there. They were murdered by the millions over a period of 3 centuries, forced to give up their own land, and marched to the reservations, many times at gunpoint. Many died on those marches, including women and children. Read 'The Trail of Tears" to understand why we now give American Indians a bit of soverignty, along with dual citizenship.
 
The reason for that is treaty. The Indians don't live on the reservations because they chose to live there. They were murdered by the millions over a period of 3 centuries, forced to give up their own land, and marched to the reservations, many times at gunpoint. Many died on those marches, including women and children. Read 'The Trail of Tears" to understand why we now give American Indians a bit of soverignty, along with dual citizenship.

Actually, no Indian today is forced to live on a reservation. The Trail of Tears no longer applies.
 
Actually, no Indian today is forced to live on a reservation. The Trail of Tears no longer applies.

Their land is still gone, and I support the treaty.
 
Which treaty? Did you know there is a treaty for each and every single tribe?

Yup, I already know that, but all treaties contain dual citizenship. Some states accept the various treaties, but some do emphasize that tribes are still subject to state laws, and the line between what Indians can and cannot do on the reservation is blurred. For example, the Alabama-Coushatta tribe is being sued by the State of Texas for hosting gambling on their reservation. This lawsuit is in Federal court as I post this.
 
BS. I personally know people from the Alabama-Coushatta tribe. They buy all their food at the Wal-Mart in Woodville, Texas or the HEB grocery in Livingston, Texas, and those stores charge sales taxes to EVERYBODY. There are not a whole lot of stores on many reservations, except for convenience stores and mom and pop type stores. There are craft stores and the like, but the items bought there are bought by tourists. There are also doctors and dentists, but those services are not subject to sales tax any place. And, of course, there are the casinos on some of the reservations. They get a break on tobacco too. I have bought cigarettes at the reservation.

To your anecdotal observation, from everything I can find, groceries are tax except in Texas.
 
To your anecdotal observation, from everything I can find, groceries are tax except in Texas.

Only for regular food. Prepared food, soda, and may other items ARE taxable. Wal-Mart also sells TV's, lawn mowers, household items, and lots of other stuff that IS taxable. American Indians buy lots of that stuff too.
 
Indians have had a very long history of being denied to vote. Up until 1970, the methods were very blatant, where some states would allow Indians to vote in national elections but not state and local elections, despite the Stanley Supreme Court decision in 1927, which affirmed the right for Indians to vote. Since then, more subtle methods have been used by many states to discriminate against American Indians. For example, here in Texas, one of the reasons the voter ID law was shot down was because a gun license counted as ID, while a valid tribal ID did not. A Federal court has now intervened in another case, where Nevada would not put polling places on reservations, thus making it harder for Indians to vote because of very long distances to the polling places. Good job by the courts. In case nobody knows, American Indians are also US citizens, and should be treated like American citizens.

Article is here
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Article about the court decision a week ago is here.

NOTE: Don't give me any crap about states rights here. States don't have the right to discriminate.

Well first off, theyre not Indian. If they indeed have US citizenship, and are subject to the jurisdiction of, then yes they should have representation, both executive and legislative. Seems like a no brainer.
 
Because they pay taxes. We fought a war over taxation without representation.

They dont pay federal taxes unless they work outside their reservation, which is a choice, and thus does not require representation. No different than a work visa. However, we obviously should give them special status given their position was forced on them.
 
They dont pay federal taxes unless they work outside their reservation, which is a choice, and thus does not require representation. No different than a work visa. However, we obviously should give them special status given their position was forced on them.

Almost all work IS outside the reservation. But, they don't pay Federal income tax, due to treaty, although they do pay state taxes and employment taxes, and sales taxes on purchases made in stores. Also, they are taxed by their tribe. The amount of tax varies from tribe to tribe, according to each tribe's laws.
 
Almost all work IS outside the reservation.

Where are you getting that information for this tribe in Nevada? The data published by the tribe says that 44% are unemployed and doesn't make a distinction between on-reservation and off-reservation employment.
 
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Almost all work IS outside the reservation. But, they don't pay Federal income tax, due to treaty, although they do pay state taxes and employment taxes, and sales taxes on purchases made in stores. Also, they are taxed by their tribe. The amount of tax varies from tribe to tribe, according to each tribe's laws.

And they have representation in their tribe. But if they dont fully participate in the country, then they dont need representation. Again, Im ignoring past treatment. Since we occupy some of their land, they deserve special treatment.
 
And they have representation in their tribe. But if they dont fully participate in the country, then they dont need representation. Again, Im ignoring past treatment. Since we occupy some of their land, they deserve special treatment.

Actually, we occupy ALL of their land. That's why we removed them to reservations. I think they deserve something in return, like voting, for instance.
 
Actually, we occupy ALL of their land. That's why we removed them to reservations. I think they deserve something in return, like voting, for instance.

The reservations contain part of their land. Im not neccesarily disagreeing with you though. We can probably find a way forward. I dont think we can return all of their land at this point, or if they even want that, but maybe they will eventually merge with the state.
 
No, the translation is that I'm tired of people who post on a debate forum and lace responses to an opposing point of view with ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the issues.

I thought you made a good and interesting point.
Never thought about it like that before.

Thanks. :)
 
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