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FBI agreed to destroy laptops of Clinton aides with immunity deal, sources say

Even better than BleachBit
 
Chomsky said:
If I, or a client of mine (I'm not a lawyer), voluntarily gave the government or any other entity the right to examine my personal data, I'd sure as hell want it destroyed after the examination as well. It sounds like prudent practice. I can't fault them at all.
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That's not an option for something that has public record information on it.
 
Chomsky said:
But correct me if I'm wrong, weren't these the employee's personal devices?
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Not once they are used for government work they aren't.
 
Fishking said:
That's not an option for something that has public record information on it.
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Clearly the dude doesn't understand how the government "normally" works, for everyone but the truly connected and corrupt.
 
Fishking said:
Not once they are used for government work they aren't.
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When they say "their" computers, they are government computers assigned to them. Everyone gets that, government employees don't use shared computers.
 
Step one of any digital forensic investigation is to create forensic images of all the media in question (hard drives, CDs, thumb drives, etc.). The case file resulting from the collection of all of those images is what you actually do your investigation on. Once you have the images, the original media is irrelevant and can be destroyed (although rules of evidence typically say you shouldn't destroy it just in case).

If we take the story literally then the destruction of the laptops is a non-issue, they aren't needed once you've created your images.

Maybe they requested the government destroy the images? The story doesn't say.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
It makes me wonder which entity is more corrupt, the DNC or the FBI?
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Both.

The FBI hasn't been in this bad a shape since J Edgar Hoover was alive and running it.
 
CrabCake said:
Step one of any digital forensic investigation is to create forensic images of all the media in question (hard drives, CDs, thumb drives, etc.). The case file resulting from the collection of all of those images is what you actually do your investigation on. Once you have the images, the original media is irrelevant and can be destroyed (although rules of evidence typically say you shouldn't destroy it just in case).

If we take the story literally then the destruction of the laptops is a non-issue, they aren't needed once you've created your images.

Maybe they requested the government destroy the images? The story doesn't say.
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So all we have to do is cross our fingers and hope that 100% of everything was copied, although it begs the question why the laptops need to be destroyed at all.
 
Chomsky said:
Oh - you think we should voluntarily give the feds access to our personal data & information on our personal devices, without probable cause?

Why didn't the .gov just get a warrant, if they had a case?
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The feds already had it. DUH. It was part of an investigation. Maybe you missed it?
 
Chomsky said:
I can't make the case for these two, but I did post this earlier in the thread:

Essentially, if I were to voluntarily give my personal data to the government for review, I'd want it returned or destroyed after said review.

This isn't just when giving it to the government, but to any entity or individual as well. It strikes me as prudent due diligence to not have your personal data, and any other individual's personal data contained within the device, out there.

That's my thoughts.

But then we've already had a full fledged identity theft in my immediate family (not me), and my bank account has been defrauded twice (separate times). And by defrauded, I mean in serial continuous fashion (they started banging away at my money via multiple purchases in quick succession).
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Why do you use the word voluntarily if it was made part of the immunity deal?

That doesn't sound voluntary to me.
 
Roadvirus said:
Both.

The FBI hasn't been in this bad a shape since J Edgar Hoover was alive and running it.
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Indeed, and Hoover ran it for so many long years. It seems he set the precedent for corruption within the agency.
 
So they review the devices and then destroyed them.

So... what's the big deal? The FBI has the info they needed, why keep the hardware?

Methinks you guys need something else to hate Hillary for.
 
American said:
FBI agreed to destroy laptops of Clinton aides with immunity deal, sources say | Fox News


No corruption in this case, nope not a bit. :roll:
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Not a smidgin. :roll:

Thoreau72 said:
It makes me wonder which entity is more corrupt, the DNC or the FBI?
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I don't blame the FBI, but I blame the Obama administration, Obama, and his politicized DOJ.

It was the DOJ that wouldn't prosecute the mishandling of Hillary's classified emails.
It was the DOJ that gave immunity to nearly all involved (who does that when they are trying to prosecute a case? No one. Here is where the fix was already in)
It was the DOJ which made it clear to the Comey and the FBI that they weren't going to prosecute anyone in this case, and probably dictated to Comey what needed to say in his testimony to congress.

Comey and the FBI get a slight benefit of the doubt from me for their established track record.
Obama, his administration, and his politicized DOJ do not get the same benefit of the doubt because of track records they've established.

reinoe said:
Sometimes cases get re-examined...which would be far more difficult with the FBI literally destroying potential evidence.
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Hence this destruction request from Hillary's legal team. Just in case Trump is elected, and re-opens the case.

OrphanSlug said:
Nothing about this surprises me these days. That said, I am starting to question what will be the result of it all.

Clearly as much evidence as possible is being "destroyed" via a deal.
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Clearly, the political elite do not want to be held accountable for their actions.

apdst said:
It's more and more obvious everyday that it was rigged.
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Without a doubt. This was rigged from the word go. Welcome the United States of America, political elite banana republic.
 
eohrnberger said:
Not a smidgin. :roll:



I don't blame the FBI, but I blame the Obama administration, Obama, and his politicized DOJ.

It was the DOJ that wouldn't prosecute the mishandling of Hillary's classified emails.
It was the DOJ that gave immunity to nearly all involved (who does that when they are trying to prosecute a case? No one. Here is where the fix was already in)
It was the DOJ which made it clear to the Comey and the FBI that they weren't going to prosecute anyone in this case, and probably dictated to Comey what needed to say in his testimony to congress.

Comey and the FBI get a slight benefit of the doubt from me for their established track record.
Obama, his administration, and his politicized DOJ do not get the same benefit of the doubt because of track records they've established.



Hence this destruction request from Hillary's legal team. Just in case Trump is elected, and re-opens the case.



Clearly, the political elite do not want to be held accountable for their actions.



Without a doubt. This was rigged from the word go. Welcome the United States of America, political elite banana republic.
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You forgot to mention that every liberal is supporting this corruption (if they're spending one second defending these crooks), because that's exactly what it is.
 
eohrnberger said:
Not a smidgin. :roll:



I don't blame the FBI, but I blame the Obama administration, Obama, and his politicized DOJ.

It was the DOJ that wouldn't prosecute the mishandling of Hillary's classified emails.
It was the DOJ that gave immunity to nearly all involved (who does that when they are trying to prosecute a case? No one. Here is where the fix was already in)
It was the DOJ which made it clear to the Comey and the FBI that they weren't going to prosecute anyone in this case, and probably dictated to Comey what needed to say in his testimony to congress.

Comey and the FBI get a slight benefit of the doubt from me for their established track record.
Obama, his administration, and his politicized DOJ do not get the same benefit of the doubt because of track records they've established.



Hence this destruction request from Hillary's legal team. Just in case Trump is elected, and re-opens the case.



Clearly, the political elite do not want to be held accountable for their actions.



Without a doubt. This was rigged from the word go. Welcome the United States of America, political elite banana republic.
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I agree with you comments to me, but keep in mind that the DOJ was corrupt long before Obama took over.

Remember Richard Nixon's DOJ? Dubya's, and everyone in between?
 
American said:
You forgot to mention that every liberal is supporting this corruption (if they're spending one second defending these crooks), because that's exactly what it is.
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Agreed.

Thoreau72 said:
I agree with you comments to me, but keep in mind that the DOJ was corrupt long before Obama took over.

Remember Richard Nixon's DOJ? Dubya's, and everyone in between?
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That's fair. One would / should hope that DOJ would have as much integrity as the FBI, considering what it is that these two departments. Clearly, that hope and expectation is badly misplaced.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I agree with you comments to me, but keep in mind that the DOJ was corrupt long before Obama took over.

Remember Richard Nixon's DOJ? Dubya's, and everyone in between?
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Are you seriously trying to generalize this. You seriously don't realize they could nail Hillary to the ****ing wall with this? Find me a federal employee with security tied to their job that agrees that what she did was okay and legal.
 
American said:
Are you seriously trying to generalize this. You seriously don't realize they could nail Hillary to the ****ing wall with this? Find me a federal employee with security tied to their job that agrees that what she did was okay and legal.
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Generalize it? Not sure exactly what you mean by that. I agree that an honest prosecutor, and an honest DOJ command structure could nail her to the wall.

My point is that IT HAS NOT HAPPENED, and there is a reason for that.

Shall we speculate, perhaps in a general way? :mrgreen:
 
Thoreau72 said:
Generalize it? Not sure exactly what you mean by that. I agree that an honest prosecutor, and an honest DOJ command structure could nail her to the wall.

My point is that IT HAS NOT HAPPENED, and there is a reason for that.

Shall we speculate, perhaps in a general way? :mrgreen:
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Nixon did far less than Hillary, and resigned. How can you possibly even go back that far.
 
American said:
Nixon did far less than Hillary, and resigned. How can you possibly even go back that far.
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It's one of my many faults--I study history.
 
Thoreau72 said:
It's one of my many faults--I study history.
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No, you're trying to make a comparison. There's no comparison of the corruption level and outcome between the two.
 
American said:
No, you're trying to make a comparison. There's no comparison of the corruption level and outcome between the two.
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Many informed people beg to differ with your analysis.

Full disclosure here: I just finished reading a collection of essays written in The Nation magazine, beginning in 1931 and ending in 2014.

It is painfully obvious that corruption and political games have been part of DOJ and FBI since Hoover was in, even preceding the McCarthy era and the HUAC. The Church committee and the COINTEL hearings also revealed this fact.

That you are unaware of it simply shows you apparent disregard for the lessons of history.
 
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