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Report: NJ high school suspends student over anti-gun control class project

Napoleon said:
I read the original reporting article and there is a very important detail that Fox News omitted. He left a thumb drive containing the video in the school library. It was found by another student or staff and, lacking context, turned over to the administration and reported to police. The investigation and suspension were/are precautionary (can you imagine the lawsuits if a school were to find this and do nothing followed by a shooting?). The fact that other students presented pro-gun projects without suspension or requiring psychological evaluation suggests there is something more to this student and his presentation.
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Actually Fox News did report that the student left the thumb drive in the library.
The teen’s troubles started Monday when someone found the video on a computer thumb drive that he left behind in the school library.
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But that does not excuse their behavior acting like it's nothing but an honest mistake.
 
Vox said:
No, it's an interesting exposure of Fascism coming from Left-Wing gun haters......and especially interesting since it involves the brainwashing and intimidation of students.

We are beginning to see more open and unabashed totalitarianism coming from the Left Wing as they smell a faint opportunity to elect the Clinton Machine and grab power for many years.

They are drooling and getting more aggressive.
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This just proves that right wingers will believe ANYTHING that fits their agenda, regardless of how little evidence for their position, exists. Like in this case.
 
Alright, so if this student was suspended simply for a project that was pro-gun rights then why were the other students not suspended? This story has a strong whiff of b.s.

"I don't understand why I'm being disciplined for following the instructions of my teacher and no one else is," said Harvey.

Yeah, no one understands it, Harvey, and that is why your claim is highly suspicious.
 
Vox said:
The police investigated and found that the student had done nothing wrong.

And you say the kid is a liar.

I'll believe the police.
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We have only this kids word that the police found nothing wrong. Finding nothing to charge him with doesn't mean he didn't somehow break some school rule. The way it is being presented doesn't mean he couldn't have broken some school rule with the material, particularly with the timeline between the presentation of the "project" and the finding of it. It was a whole different school year. Leaving such a thing on purpose in the media center/library could be a violation of their policy, regardless or dependent on the content even if originally done as a class project. Why wasn't the project done on a personal thumb drive? Why wasn't it removed after the project was presented if he had permission to do it on a school thumb drive? Maybe these are what he really got suspended for. Or maybe when he was asked about these thing he got upset and started talking back to school officials.

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roguenuke said:
We have only this kids word that the police found nothing wrong. Finding nothing to charge him with doesn't mean he didn't somehow break some school rule. The way it is being presented doesn't mean he couldn't have broken some school rule with the material, particularly with the timeline between the presentation of the "project" and the finding of it. It was a whole different school year. Leaving such a thing on purpose in the media center/library could be a violation of their policy, regardless or dependent on the content even if originally done as a class project. Why wasn't the project done on a personal thumb drive? Why wasn't it removed after the project was presented if he had permission to do it on a school thumb drive? Maybe these are what he really got suspended for. Or maybe when he was asked about these thing he got upset and started talking back to school officials.

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That's a good call out. What was he doing with it in the school library a year after he had already given the presentation? Did he intend it as a threat? Did he think it would be a funny senior prank?
 
roguenuke said:
We have only this kids word that the police found nothing wrong. Finding nothing to charge him with doesn't mean he didn't somehow break some school rule.
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Clearly it would be a pretty damned FASCIST, anti-Second Amendment school rule then.
 
Vox said:
Clearly it would be a pretty damned FASCIST, anti-Second Amendment school rule then.
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Not as FASCIST, anti-American as spreading unsubstantiated rumors for politics...
 
Vox said:
Clearly it would be a pretty damned FASCIST, anti-Second Amendment school rule then.
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What? No it would be a rule keeping school materials cleaned up and available for use by other students who wouldn't have to clear space on drives or computers to do their own work. If it was his personal thumb drive, it would prevent the accidental or even potentially intentional download of a virus onto school computers, or even just unauthorized programs (games, music, porn, just simply extra unneeded crap).

Most likely though, the suspension itself was due to the student probably was getting mouthy with staff when they confronted him about this thumb drive being left for that long (or the presentation being left for that long on a school thumb drive) in the library. This is of course just speculation but a lot easier to believe than the story given.


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roguenuke said:
What? No it would be a rule keeping school materials cleaned up and available for use by other students who wouldn't have to clear space on drives or computers to do their own work. If it was his personal thumb drive, it would prevent the accidental or even potentially intentional download of a virus onto school computers, or even just unauthorized programs (games, music, porn, just simply extra unneeded crap).

Most likely though, the suspension itself was due to the student probably was getting mouthy with staff when they confronted him about this thumb drive being left for that long (or the presentation being left for that long on a school thumb drive) in the library. This is of course just speculation but a lot easier to believe than the story given.
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No, it's NOT easier to believe. You don't get kicked out of school for being mouthy or forgetting a thumb drive.

This was hateful, anti-gun Fascism at work.
 
Vox said:
No, it's NOT easier to believe. You don't get kicked out of school for being mouthy or forgetting a thumb drive.

This was hateful, anti-gun Fascism at work.
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No, this is an excellent example of a right winger jumping to conclusions before seeing all the evidence. SOP for some right wingers.
 
Napoleon said:
That's a good call out. What was he doing with it in the school library a year after he had already given the presentation? Did he intend it as a threat? Did he think it would be a funny senior prank?
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I have a thumb drive in my bag with presentations on it from years ago. They can hold more than one thing at a time. Was there anything else on it? Why would he erase the presentation after he presented it?
 
Vox said:
No, it's an interesting exposure of Fascism coming from Left-Wing gun haters......and especially interesting since it involves the brainwashing and intimidation of students.

We are beginning to see more open and unabashed totalitarianism coming from the Left Wing as they smell a faint opportunity to elect the Clinton Machine and grab power for many years.

They are drooling and getting more aggressive.
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How centrist of you. I understand your immunity to reason and your inability to think rationally; otherwise you wouldn't have made this topic and rallied so stridently against "the left" and you wouldn't have taken this unsubstantiated stance on the story. Nevertheless, let me throw the following your way: do you believe that the evidence supports the student's version of the story that you so fervently advocate? If yes, present that evidence and banish the night in which we're meandering.
 
Vox said:
No, it's NOT easier to believe. You don't get kicked out of school for being mouthy or forgetting a thumb drive.

This was hateful, anti-gun Fascism at work.
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People get suspended from school all the time for being mouthy. And with new concerns over viruses and malware, unknown programs being left around the school or left on school equipment can easily cause a concern, which is why they most likely ask students to a) delete files they put onto school equipment, such as computers or thumb drives before they are returned to the library or when they are finished with their project and b) that students not leave personal thumb drives around the school.

And he was only suspended. So talking back is a very likely reason for that disciplinary action.


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Groogrux said:
I have a thumb drive in my bag with presentations on it from years ago. They can hold more than one thing at a time. Was there anything else on it? Why would he erase the presentation after he presented it?
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If it's not his thumb drive (as suggested in one of the stories), I can see several reasons why the school would want any projects downloaded onto it deleted from it before being returned. For one, they don't know if students also put malware on them. For another, students could try to pass off any work left on there as their own. Also, the school likely would have a limited number of thumb drives available and they would get filled up quickly if many students throughout the year were using them for work and projects.


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roguenuke said:
If it's not his thumb drive (as suggested in one of the stories), I can see several reasons why the school would want any projects downloaded onto it deleted from it before being returned. For one, they don't know if students also put malware on them. For another, students could try to pass off any work left on there as their own. Also, the school likely would have a limited number of thumb drives available and they would get filled up quickly if many students throughout the year were using them for work and projects.


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Sure, IF the drive belongs to the school and not him personally.
 
Redress said:
Story screams of not being the whole story. In fact, I would say it is almost certainly not the whole story, and the kid and his parents are playing for publicity.
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I agree that the article is lacking in details but i would not be so quick to dismiss what the parent and student are saying as a publicity stunt.

A few years back when my son was in highschool i had a confrontation with his school over a pic of him holding a gun on his facebook page. They threaten to suspend him if he did not remove it.

When i found out my initial response was what isnt my son telling me and i thought speaking to the adults would put this into reasonable context. Boy did i find out i was wrong and they tried to bully both him and me. They ultimately ga5iled because i pushed back but it was an awfull ordeal. They not only harassed him but his freinds were systematically being integtogated over this.

This was over a picture no threatening statements or anything. He just thought holding a gun made him look cool so he posted it as his profile pic. It wasnt even school related.

The only thing im saying its been my personal experience of dealing with massive over reactions by schools when its gun related.

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BrewerBob said:
He was suspended and ordered to undergo a psychological exam. The district says the reason is not the reason the student is giving.

There is definitely more to this story.
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If there is the school should explain what it is

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Napoleon said:
I read the original reporting article and there is a very important detail that Fox News omitted. He left a thumb drive containing the video in the school library. It was found by another student or staff and, lacking context, turned over to the administration and reported to police. The investigation and suspension were/are precautionary (can you imagine the lawsuits if a school were to find this and do nothing followed by a shooting?). The fact that other students presented pro-gun projects without suspension or requiring psychological evaluation suggests there is something more to this student and his presentation.
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So assuming this is true how did they end up concluding that being careless with a thumb drive requires a suspension and psychological evaluation? Seems a bit extreme, no?

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CaptainCourtesy said:
No, this is an excellent example of a right winger jumping to conclusions before seeing all the evidence. SOP for some right wingers.
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The police saw the evidence and concluded the kid did nothing wrong.

Oh, wait.......according to a Liberal the police would be evil right wingers......I see what you mean now.

:mrgreen:
 
Gaztopian said:
Nevertheless, let me throw the following your way: do you believe that the evidence supports the student's version of the story that you so fervently advocate? If yes, present that evidence and banish the night in which we're meandering.
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The evidence is that the police investigated and found the kid to have done nothing wrong.

You're the only one blundering in the dark.
 
Vox said:
The police saw the evidence and concluded the kid did nothing wrong.

Oh, wait.......according to a Liberal the police would be evil right wingers......I see what you mean now.

:mrgreen:
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Irrelevant to whether it violated school policy. I understand that right wingers like you can't understand complex issues like this, but this situation is not black and white.
 
Vox said:
No, they don't.
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Yeah they do. I work with teenagers. I've worked with some who have been verbally nasty to school staff.

Don't speak about things you know nothing about.
 
Vox said:
The evidence is that the police investigated and found the kid to have done nothing wrong.

You're the only one blundering in the dark.
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You're the one who has no clue and doesn't understand the issue. School policy is SEPARATE from a possible criminal act.
 
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