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How Donald Trump’s Company Violated the United States Embargo Against Cuba

danarhea said:
Trump violated the embargo by doing business with Fidel Castro, who WAS our enemy, for Christ sake.

You have just proven my point. Like I said in my OP. It doesn't matter to Trump supporters. They will find a way to excuse his behavior, no matter how bad it is. Trump was right when he said that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Ave in broad daylight and not lose any supporters. That's because his supporters are just as amoral as he is.
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While I agree with your statements, I also think the Cuban embargo proved relatively useless - unless the real point was simply to hurt Cuban peasants - and was also a whopping great dose of hypocrisy. We do business with all sorts of "communists" (in fact, totalitarian dictatorships with a socialist economy, like China) and various nations ruled by monstrous dictators.

It's sort of like the Trump-Clinton thing. If Cuba being a totalitarian socialist state with a murderous bad man in charge means we embargo them, should we not embargo the others? Clearly, status as "a totalitarian socialist state with a murderous bad man" is not part of the actual criteria being relied upon.
 
danarhea said:
It's a non issue, as far as the law is concerned, but it still says a lot about Trump's character. The statute of limitations never runs out on that.

And here we have another example. Trump is good in my book because "Statute of Limitations".
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You can make whatever nonsense up you want. I never said anything about right, wrong good or bad.
It happened 20 some years ago and is frankly a non-issue at this point.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes I know what you mean, why there is hardly a day goes by that I don't somehow profit from a deal I make with a nation we have under an embargo or sanctions.... Why just yesterday I sold a luxury home in North Korea, the day before that I sold some cars to Bashar al-Assad. There is no way to make it through a day without violating some sort of sanction or embargo.....

For **** sakes the absolutely laughable absurdity some of Trump's worshipers will go through to defend the **** he does...
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I have not supported the embargo for at least 20 years, I am supposed to care that long long ago a few Trump employees took a trip to Cuba at Trumps expense?

We have GOT to learn to prioritize.
 
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danarhea said:
Trump violated the embargo by doing business with Fidel Castro, who WAS our enemy, for Christ sake.

You have just proven my point. Like I said in my OP. It doesn't matter to Trump supporters. They will find a way to excuse his behavior, no matter how bad it is. Trump was right when he said that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Ave in broad daylight and not lose any supporters. That's because his supporters are just as amoral as he is.
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Is Russia our enemy?
 
apdst said:
Is Russia our enemy?
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Better question: Do the Clintons know about morality?

Caring about morality is the argument to vote for Trump.

There is a reason he has won over the Evangelicals, a reason some might do better to ignore, least their heads explode.
 
Wow Danarhea is rocking this thread and all the replies are pretty much proving his point for him.
 
Dogger807 said:
Wow Danarhea is rocking this thread and all the replies are pretty much proving his point for him.
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Oh he knows that the Trump fans are loyal, he just has no clue as to why....one wonders about how much interest he has in getting educated.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I have not supported the embargo for at least 20 years, I am supposed to care that long long ago a few Trump employees took a trip to Cuba at Trumps expense?

We have GOT to learn to prioritize.
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It matters that a presidential candidate sanctions illegal actions for personal gain.

He's also under investigation for transferring $258,000 from his charity fund to another charity, in payment of legal settlement for his for-profit corporation. Which is illegal. Investigation isn't complete, though.

He's made recent comments stating he would have taken Iraqi oil, which is illegal.

He has a history of not following the law, dating back for years and continuing to the present. No doubt that's one reason for the audits his tax returns have been going through.

Someone who does something illegal that doesn't affect you, is someone who won't balk at doing something illegal later that WILL affect you.

Is that the type of person you want as a President? Someone who doesn't respect the law, when we are a nation ruled by laws? Does he want to be king? There is a big difference between being a political leader and the head of a corporation, which is a type of monarchy.
 
apdst said:
Is Russia our enemy?
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According to Reagan, yes. Doesn't seem much has changed. Citizens are assassinated there for saying the wrong thing or not supporting the "government." They are fighting on the opposite side in Syria. They invaded the Ukraine. While the U S needs to try to work with all countries for different reasons, Russia is a superpower that is not considered an ally.
 
danarhea said:
Actually, he did intend to. It's why he went there.

Chalk up another example.
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Don't need to he didn't intend to break the law.
It was simply a mistake.
 
JumpinJack said:
It matters that a presidential candidate sanctions illegal actions for personal gain.

He's also under investigation for transferring $258,000 from his charity fund to another charity, in payment of legal settlement for his for-profit corporation. Which is illegal. Investigation isn't complete, though.

He's made recent comments stating he would have taken Iraqi oil, which is illegal.

He has a history of not following the law, dating back for years and continuing to the present. No doubt that's one reason for the audits his tax returns have been going through.

Someone who does something illegal that doesn't affect you, is someone who won't balk at doing something illegal later that WILL affect you.

Is that the type of person you want as a President? Someone who doesn't respect the law, when we are a nation ruled by laws? Does he want to be king? There is a big difference between being a political leader and the head of a corporation, which is a type of monarchy.
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Well if you were not put off by him working with the mob I am hard pressed to understand why you turn when you find out that he sent a few people to Cuba for a couple of days in violation of an idiotic counterproductive for both the USA an Cuba US policy which was run by maybe a million Cuba defectors, AKA Castro haters.

A stupid policy that we stuck with for decades because we are too stupid to do better.

COME ON JJ, I have respect for you, dont blow it now.

FOCUS!
 
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JumpinJack said:
It matters that a presidential candidate sanctions illegal actions for personal gain.

He's also under investigation for transferring $258,000 from his charity fund to another charity, in payment of legal settlement for his for-profit corporation. Which is illegal. Investigation isn't complete, though.

He's made recent comments stating he would have taken Iraqi oil, which is illegal.

He has a history of not following the law, dating back for years and continuing to the present. No doubt that's one reason for the audits his tax returns have been going through.

Someone who does something illegal that doesn't affect you, is someone who won't balk at doing something illegal later that WILL affect you.

Is that the type of person you want as a President? Someone who doesn't respect the law, when we are a nation ruled by laws? Does he want to be king? There is a big difference between being a political leader and the head of a corporation, which is a type of monarchy.
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Let's hope you are voting for Clinton otherwise this is the biggest hypocritical post I have ever seen.
 
danarhea said:
And documents show that Trump knew about it the whole time. Doesn't matter. Trump supporters will still vote for him, even though he provided aid and comfort to the enemy. Says as much about them as it does about Trump.

How Donald Trump?s Company Violated the United States Embargo Against Cuba
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This article is so full of unsupported, unverified and unsubstantiated utterances by anonymous people that it's hardly worth anyone's consideration...except, maybe, the FBI. Are they investigating this matter? Have they found any actual evidence? Anything other than "he said" stuff coming from people who don't want to be named?

Get back to me when you come up with some actual facts.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Oh he knows that the Trump fans are loyal, he just has no clue as to why....one wonders about how much interest he has in getting educated.
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F ¥€#.... I know trump fans are loyal and have no clue why. The man is on record for cheating people out of their money and is proud of it. Trump university should be enough by itself for people to realise he's a con man.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Better question: Do the Clintons know about morality?

Caring about morality is the argument to vote for Trump.

There is a reason he has won over the Evangelicals, a reason some might do better to ignore, least their heads explode.
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Trump and morality? :lamo

Do you remember Marla Maples?

Is it moral to stiff your creditors?

Is it moral to call underlings names, knowing they can't speak back?

Do you recall that he's had a number of affairs?

How about Melania having been a nude model before she married Trump?

How about Trump's multiple marriages?


Clinton, OTOH, has no morality scandals in her past. Bill has, of course. But that was after she married him, not before, and it wasn't her behavior that was immoral.
 
danarhea said:
Trump violated the embargo by doing business with Fidel Castro, who WAS our enemy, for Christ sake.

You have just proven my point. Like I said in my OP. It doesn't matter to Trump supporters. They will find a way to excuse his behavior, no matter how bad it is. Trump was right when he said that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Ave in broad daylight and not lose any supporters. That's because his supporters are just as amoral as he is.
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Well, then, Mr Conservative, vote for someone else.

And, damn it, don't call me moral because I don't agree with you.

You want to talk about amoral? Talk about Hillary Clinton. Bimbo Eruptions. Standing by her Man. Trying to crucify a 22-year-old who her husband was screwing. A dead ambassador. Requests for added security ignored. Bleached computers. Sledged Blackberrys. Her scummy husband who, as he played with balloons at the Dem Convention, looked senile. The Clinton Foundation's pay for play model...

Now THAT's amoral.
 
Dogger807 said:
F ¥€#.... I know trump fans are loyal and have no clue why. The man is on record for cheating people out of their money and is proud of it. Trump university should be enough by itself for people to realise he's a con man.
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Which is to say that you cant figure out why Trump has fans.

While your communicating to us you ignorance is interesting I suppose, I am more interested in talking to people who get it.

I hope you understand.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Well if you were not put off by him working with the mob I am hard pressed to understand why you turn when you find out that he sent a few people to Cuba for a couple of days in violation of an idiotic counterproductive for both the USA an Cuba US policy which was run by maybe a million Cuba defectors, AKA Castro haters.

A stupid policy that we stuck with for decades because we are too stupid to do better.

COME ON JJ, I have respect for you, dont blow it now.

FOCUS!
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Don't be condescending.

Idiotic in your opinion or not, the law is the law. There are times when one can understand breaking the law, because it's the right thing to do. But to break the law for financial gain is the typical reason the big boys break the law, and that can't be justified.

We are a nation of laws, after all. That's why we don't have a king. We have laws, instead.
 
JumpinJack said:
Trump and morality? :lamo

Do you remember Marla Maples? Ya, she says Trump is a great father and that there is nothing that he cant do.

Is it moral to stiff your creditors? I have a problem with that, not his creditors, him not paying his invoices.

Is it moral to call underlings names, knowing they can't speak back? I am the free speech free mind guy, and guy who wants to shred victim culture, this is no problem for me...Trump gets silly sometimes on his name calling, but it is good fun to him....this is not something that I care about.

Do you recall that he's had a number of affairs? Dont care.

How about Melania having been a nude model before she married Trump? She's hot. Was there another point?

How about Trump's multiple marriages? Dont care


Clinton, OTOH, has no morality scandals in her past. Bill has, of course. But that was after she married him, not before, and it wasn't her behavior that was immoral. Selling out to Wall Street is on the list, maybe it makes the top 5, but sifting the Clinton morality problems is too time consuming an endeavor for me to bother with. I might be retired, but I am not THAT bored.
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MaggieD said:
Well, then, Mr Conservative, vote for someone else.

And, damn it, don't call me moral because I don't agree with you.

You want to talk about amoral? Talk about Hillary Clinton. Bimbo Eruptions. Standing by her Man. Trying to crucify a 22-year-old who her husband was screwing. A dead ambassador. Requests for added security ignored. Bleached computers. Sledged Blackberrys. Her scummy husband who, as he played with balloons at the Dem Convention, looked senile. The Clinton Foundation's pay for play model...

Now THAT's amoral.
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Interesting that Clinton did none of the things you say. You are spending too much time on partisan websites.

The typical outrageous claims against Clinton:

1. She murdered Vince Foster.
2. Recently, she had some people killed because of the emails.
3. She hid office records in an investigation (an investigation called Whitewater that resulted in a finding of no wrongdoing)
4. She's unstable
5. She's unhealthy
6. She stole furniture from the White House.
7. Something about the Clinton Foundation that has no merit, as far as I can tell. Can you cite any legal finding that the Foundation has done anything illegal? (However, the NY Attorney General is going to investigate claims of illegal activity by the Trump Foundation.)

Really weird, far out stuff, that comes from someone's imagination. That someone (who G W Bush once called a lowlife) now works for Trump. He has made a career out of attacking the Clintons.

No family in the country has been the focus of such an intense, long-lasting personal attack as the Clintons.

Trump is really unqualified and a dangerous person to hold any leadership position in any country. He's disrespectful and cruel to people who are not in a position to defend themselves, he can't control his mouth, he has a bad temper, and he takes people down instead of lifting them up, which is what leaders should do. To call ordinary people names like "pig" and "Miss Housekeeping," is cruel and serves no purpose other than to make himself feel big and powerful. This is not a man to lead the country.

But alas, his supporters will let anything slide. They are simply blind. He could do anything, and they would excuse it. This is not typical of our country. It's scary, and it's dangerous.
 
danarhea said:
Trump violated the embargo by doing business with Fidel Castro, who WAS our enemy, for Christ sake.

You have just proven my point. Like I said in my OP.
It doesn't matter to Trump supporters. They will find a way to excuse his behavior, no matter how bad it is.
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 Trump was right when he said that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Ave in broad daylight and not lose any supporters. That's because his supporters are just as amoral as he is.
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It may not matter to Trump's non-Hispanic Alt-Right supporters but Anti-Castro Cuban-Americans are different people,with different priorities.

Think about that a little.

This could cost him some votes in Florida.
 
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