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Senate Votes to Override President Obama's Veto of 9/11 Bill[W:145]

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The Senate today voted 97-1 to override a veto from President Obama, for the first time, over a bill that would allow the families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia for its alleged role in the 2001 terrorist attacks.

The override attempt now heads to the House, where it is expected to pass later today — at which point the override goes into effect.

Senate Votes to Override President Obama's Veto of 9/11 Bill - ABC News

The House also passed the override vote. No shut out for O! :D
 
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This bill is dumb in like ten different ways.
 
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They should have done this. Americans deserve to file suit and have their day in court.
 
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If this passes the house as expected Republicans may get to see Obama or both Clinton's perp walked. Just in a foreign country.

Democrats need not free Bush and Cheney will be in the same line.


There are a lot of people who could be screwed by this. The ultimate karma will be watching some of those who supported this defend themselves on court from out of country cases.
 
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Chillfolks said:
If this passes the house as expected Republicans may get to see Obama or both Clinton's perp walked. Just in a foreign country.

Democrats need not free Bush and Cheney will be in the same line.


There are a lot of people who could be screwed by this. The ultimate karma will be watching some of those who supported this defend themselves on court from out of country cases.
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Already passed the House....I said so in the first post!!!!
 
Re: Senate Votes to Override President Obama's Veto of 9/11 Bill

Well, granted most people already knew this, we learned both parties are full of idiots.
 
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MickeyW said:
The Senate today voted 97-1 to override a veto from President Obama, for the first time, over a bill that would allow the families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia for its alleged role in the 2001 terrorist attacks.

The override attempt now heads to the House, where it is expected to pass later today — at which point the override goes into effect.

Senate Votes to Override President Obama's Veto of 9/11 Bill - ABC News

The House also passed the override vote. No shut out for O! :D
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I kind of think it is pointless.Because lets say a judge sides with the victims of 9-11 and finds Saudi Arabia guilty. Who is going to make Saudi Arabia pay the victims of 9-11? I don't think any country is going to slap an embargo against Saudi Arabia or go to war.
 
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haymarket said:
They should have done this. Americans deserve to file suit and have their day in court.
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I am not sure of the exact legal situation right now. But
I tend to agree that citizens should be allowed to sue foreign governments. If it is not generally legal, it is a bad idea to create a Lex Saudi Arabia, however. A special law is a bad idea for a number of reasons among them the precedent of retroactive law and the foreign affairs implications of framing a law specifically against a traditional partner.
 
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Symbolic legislation at best.
 
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The facts of international law aside, anyone who seriously believes that the U.S. government would hold Saudi to the outcome of a lawsuit really hasn't been paying attention to the last 30 years of foreign policy. Saudi is untouchable. The fact that Obama vetoed the bill speaks wonders to that.

The bill is really stupid though... so I understand.
 
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Deuce said:
It's a meaningless gesture in an election year, and you're only excited because Obama was against it.
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Damn right...beating obama is a good thing...they spoiled his Shut Out! :thumbs:
 
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Northern Light said:
The facts of international law aside, anyone who seriously believes that the U.S. government would hold Saudi to the outcome of a lawsuit really hasn't been paying attention to the last 30 years of foreign policy. Saudi is untouchable. The fact that Obama vetoed the bill speaks wonders to that.

The bill is really stupid though... so I understand.
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obie has vetoed many bills, that should have been overridden!
 
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jamesrage said:
I kind of think it is pointless.Because lets say a judge sides with the victims of 9-11 and finds Saudi Arabia guilty. Who is going to make Saudi Arabia pay the victims of 9-11? I don't think any country is going to slap an embargo against Saudi Arabia or go to war.
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It looks like it is more about truth telling than collecting on a future payout.
 
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Well thats a first for Obama. Guess hes a lame duck now.
 
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Northern Light said:
The facts of international law aside, anyone who seriously believes that the U.S. government would hold Saudi to the outcome of a lawsuit really hasn't been paying attention to the last 30 years of foreign policy. Saudi is untouchable. The fact that Obama vetoed the bill speaks wonders to that.

The bill is really stupid though... so I understand.
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We just paid Iran billions that we owed a entirely differnt iranian govt. So I would say its possible. Just a matter of application of force.
 
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MickeyW said:
obie has vetoed many bills, that should have been overridden!
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Here is the list

Barack Obama[edit]
Main article: Barack Obama
December 30, 2009: Vetoed "H.J.Res. 64"., a joint resolution making further continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2010, and for other purposes. Override attempt failed in House, 143-245, 1 present (260 needed).[39]
October 7, 2010: Vetoed "H.R. 3808"., the Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010. Override attempt failed in House, 185-235 (280 needed).[40]
February 24, 2015: Vetoed "S. 1"., the Keystone XL Pipeline Approval Act.[41] Override attempt failed in Senate, 62–36 (66 needed).
March 31, 2015: Vetoed "S.J.Res. 8"., a joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the National Labor Relations Board relating to representation case procedures.[42][note 1] The Senate voted to table the veto message rather than vote on an override of the veto. Tabled 96-3.
October 22, 2015: Vetoed "H.R. 1735"., the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2016.[43]
December 19, 2015: Vetoed "S.J.Res. 23"., a joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of a rule submitted by the Environmental Protection Agency relating to "Standards of Performance for Greenhouse Gas Emissions from New, Modified, and Reconstructed Stationary Sources: Electric Utility Generating Units".[44]
December 19, 2015: Vetoed "S.J.Res. 24"., a joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of a rule submitted by the Environmental Protection Agency relating to "Carbon Pollution Emission Guidelines for Existing Stationary Sources: Electric Utility Generating Units".[44]
January 8, 2016: Vetoed "H.R. 3762"., the Restoring Americans' Healthcare Freedom Reconciliation Act of 2015.[45] Override attempt failed in House, 241-186 (285 votes needed).
January 19, 2016: Vetoed "S.J.Res. 22"., a joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency relating to the definition of “waters of the United States” under the Federal Water Pollution Control Act[46]
June 8, 2016: Vetoed "H.J.Res. 88"., a joint resolution disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to the definition of the term "Fiduciary".[47]
July 22, 2016: Vetoed "H.R. 1777"., Presidential Allowance Modernization Act of 2016.[48]
September 23, 2016: Vetoed "S. 2040"., Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act.[49] Overridden by Senate, 97-1 (66 required).[50] Overridden by House, 348-77, 1 present
 
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97 to 1, so apparantly all were in agreement with little doubt.
 
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jamesrage said:
I kind of think it is pointless.Because lets say a judge sides with the victims of 9-11 and finds Saudi Arabia guilty. Who is going to make Saudi Arabia pay the victims of 9-11? I don't think any country is going to slap an embargo against Saudi Arabia or go to war.
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Saudi Arabia has a significant amount of asets in the US which a court could decide to freeze or seize to pay any claims.
Saudi Arabia will not be happy and probably will threaten to stop buying US weapons and start to pull assets out of the US.
 
Senate Votes to Override President Obama's Veto of 9/11 Bill

Sometimes i think we'd be better off filling the senate with a hundred random kindergarteners.
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
97 to 1, so apparently all were in agreement with little doubt.
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And that 1 being Harry Reid, no surprise there.
 
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Obama is 100% right in this case. The Senate and House have acted stupidly. Their stupidity was bipartisan.
 
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Deuce said:
It's a meaningless gesture in an election year, and you're only excited because Obama was against it.
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You are only defending it because Obama was for it.

Truthfully I don't have an opinion. I haven't studied the issue. At least I can wait until I know what I am talking about to decide. You haven't offered any argument against it. If you have one I would be real interested in whatever it was.
 
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