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Wife of Keith Scott, Charlotte Shooting Victim, Filmed Fatal Encounter With Police

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Blue_State said:
I have to agree with it sounding like her voice implies an escalation in urgency. Furthermore, I would agree that she felt his actions were escalating the situation or that the cops were preparing to escalate.
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Agreed... How many times did she say "Keith, don't you do it." That clearly indicates to me, he was acting in a way that was forcing the police to take action.

I don't see how this video could be interpreted as lending support to those who think he was shot by police unjustly.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
But the police could have defused the tension of the situation and make Scott more willing to drop his gun.
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Scott could have dropped the object and that would have diffused the situation.
 
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Grim17 said:
Agreed... How many times did she say "Keith, don't you do it." That clearly indicates to me, he was acting in a way that was forcing the police to take action.

I don't see how this video could be interpreted as lending support to those who think he was shot by police unjustly.
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She even backs away as she gets more intense. It's a significant indication that even she knew things were heading in a bad direction.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
No....

They should have tried to handle the situation by defusing the tension of the situation. If Scott did have a gun, the cops should have tried to reason with Scott and make him willingly drop his gun.
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You watch too much tv....That is not how it works in real life....Facing a man with a gun, it takes you twice as long to react to a sudden action. So, police are trained to not let it get to that point....You seem to want them to wait and see if he shoots before reacting....Not smart.
 
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Lutherf said:
It's why I constantly recommend that the DoJ assign an SJW to ride with the cops and initiate every engagement. For some reason nobody ever takes me up on the idea.
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:lol: Yeah, that would take care of it....
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
But the police could have defused the tension of the situation and make Scott more willing to drop his gun.
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Way too much tv
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
And if he was not of sound mind?
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Where does it say that police are to let those not of sound mind shoot them?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
And if he was not of sound mind?
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Irrelevant. State of mind does not change the situations the police were faced with. The fact remains that compliance with the police and dropping the gun would have diffused the situation.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
And the man the police were dealing with at that moment may have been unable to understand the situation because he was impaired by a traumatic brain injury, I think that information should have made the police change their tactics.
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Then he shouldn't have had a gun. If you are unable to respond to police when confronted about a weapon you are holding due to a brain injury that indicates a strong inability to act responsibly as a gun owner.

What should their tactics have been changed to concerning a man with a gun who is unwilling to respond to them?


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Why were the cops surrounding him with guns drawn in the first place? And why does the presence of gun automatically justify deadly force? He was a U.S. citizen with rights. From the video, they didn't even know he had a gun until after the "standoff" had begun. he wasn't the guy they were after. So what gives?

Unfortunately, this video doesn't clear up much and is unlikely to change anyone's mind.
 
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GhostlyJoe said:
Why were the cops surrounding him with guns drawn in the first place?
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Because he had a damned gun in his hand.


And why does the presence of gun automatically justify deadly force?
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It doesn't... What justifies it is when police tell someone to drop the gun over and over and over again, and that person refuses to comply. Watch the video and listen carefully to how many time the cops tell him to drop the gun.


He was a U.S. citizen with rights.
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But he doesn't have the right to brandish a gun in a confrontation with police and refuse to drop the gun when legally ordered to by those police officers.

Edit: I counted at least 13 instances of officers saying "drop the gun" to the suspect, before shots were fired.

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Grim17 said:
Agreed... How many times did she say "Keith, don't you do it." That clearly indicates to me, he was acting in a way that was forcing the police to take action.

I don't see how this video could be interpreted as lending support to those who think he was shot by police unjustly.
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Definitely not executed as previously put out.
 
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GhostlyJoe said:
Why were the cops surrounding him with guns drawn in the first place? And why does the presence of gun automatically justify deadly force? He was a U.S. citizen with rights. From the video, they didn't even know he had a gun until after the "standoff" had begun. he wasn't the guy they were after. So what gives?

Unfortunately, this video doesn't clear up much and is unlikely to change anyone's mind.
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They were likely asking him to please move so they could execute their warrant. If he failed to heed them and kept continuing to do so, then he becomes a hindrance and is obstructing police. I don't know as don't most others but it's a reasonable guess.


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roguenuke said:
They were likely asking him to please move so they could execute their warrant. If he failed to heed them and kept continuing to do so, then he becomes a hindrance and is obstructing police. I don't know as don't most others but it's a reasonable guess.


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Huh? So the only way police can ask someone to move is to surround the person and draw their guns? WTF?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
And if he was not of sound mind?
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If he was not of sound mind then the family should have done the responsible thing and limit his access to a gun. If they had any questions about his mental clarity they have a moral obligation to step in to protect himself and the community. His mental stability did not seem to questioned untill he refused police demands of dropping the weapon resulting in his death.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
And the man the police were dealing with at that moment may have been unable to understand the situation because he was impaired by a traumatic brain injury, I think that information should have made the police change their tactics.
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Not if they believe he was armed. Wouldn't matter.
 
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Tettsuo said:
Huh? So the only way police can ask someone to move is to surround the person and draw their guns? WTF?
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Do you understand that if they had one officer ask him to leave, he refused to talk to them or move, then they would have then called in more and more, upping their presentation of force with each refusal, even if the encounter was less than a couple of minutes? They likely didn't all start with their guns drawn on him, but rather turned to him after refusing to talk to them, acknowledge their presence, orders.
 
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Grim17 said:
Agreed... How many times did she say "Keith, don't you do it." That clearly indicates to me, he was acting in a way that was forcing the police to take action.

I don't see how this video could be interpreted as lending support to those who think he was shot by police unjustly.
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THIS!

the video will likely help to justify the legitimacy of the shoot
besides hearing the repeated commands of the police for the victim to drop the gun
we also hear his wife shouting repeatedly and with increasing intensity "keith, don't you do it!"

whatever she did not want keith doing was very likely something the police did not want keith doing


and then there is the pistol-like object seen on the pavement

this was a gift from the spouse to the CMPD
 
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Chillfolks said:
If he was not of sound mind then the family should have done the responsible thing and limit his access to a gun. If they had any questions about his mental clarity they have a moral obligation to step in to protect himself and the community. His mental stability did not seem to questioned untill he refused police demands of dropping the weapon resulting in his death.
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on the video, the spouse tells the police he does not have a gun

was she being dishonest?

or had keith, not long released from a lengthy stint in jail, concealed from her that he owned a pistol (likely illegally due to his prison term exceeding one year)
 
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Have we seen evidence yet that he had a gun?
 
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Erod said:
So this same guy shot at police officers in Texas before?

Slain Charlotte man had lengthy criminal record | Power Line

Now that I know that, this is a far lesser tragedy.
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My understanding is that one's criminal history is irrelevant in these discussions and only mentioned to smear the good name of a fine human being who was assassinated at the hands of the police.
 
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Blue_State said:
I did hear an interesting stat today that more than 40% of cop shootings are from black men, while 6.1% of the population is black male. Have not confirmed it yet, but it would make me more weary to know that the risk goes up with a certain population.
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What causes the risk to go up?
 
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