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Senate clears way for $1.15 billion arms sale to Saudi Arabia

Why ever, would anyone want to prevent supplying an ally and a good one at that? And what is this about "blood on one's hands"? That is such a false argument that one must almost suspect a lie.

Why ever? Because one's moral compass is up, good and functioning?

Because one can observe the immoral military aggression committed by Saudi and refuses to be a part of that immoral and illegal action?

Because one knows right from wrong? Because one suddenly realizes it has chosen as an ally a gang of barbarians?
 
Why ever? Because one's moral compass is up, good and functioning?

Because one can observe the immoral military aggression committed by Saudi and refuses to be a part of that immoral and illegal action?

Because one knows right from wrong? Because one suddenly realizes it has chosen as an ally a gang of barbarians?

Pity you can't differentiate. But then, you have no skin in that game.
 
They're not angels, but they're killing Iranian proxies in Yemen, and that's a good thing. Plus they're keeping American defense workers employed so they can buy Christmas presents for their kids. That's good, too.

They produce ****ing terrotists and lots of them.
 
Pity you can't differentiate. But then, you have no skin in that game.

I can differentiate. I do know the difference between right and wrong. I am unable to delude myself into thinking the Saudis and Bush bin Laden are the good guys. Apparently you are able, but I am not.

The skin in the game for me is that I love my country, and am ashamed at how criminal my country's government has become.
 
I can differentiate. I do know the difference between right and wrong. I am unable to delude myself into thinking the Saudis and Bush bin Laden are the good guys. Apparently you are able, but I am not.

The skin in the game for me is that I love my country, and am ashamed at how criminal my country's government has become.

Then you must be ashamed we did not remove Assad in time or prevent the Ukrainian civil war. But, of course, you are not, saying the USA is at fault for having done this that or the other thing.
 
Then you must be ashamed we did not remove Assad in time or prevent the Ukrainian civil war. But, of course, you are not, saying the USA is at fault for having done this that or the other thing.

Call me old-fashioned as hell, but I don't see how my family and I, or my country, is influenced by who the Main Dude is in either Syria, Iran, Iraq or Ukraine. It's none of our damn business.

Call me old-fashioned, but I'm all in with George Washington's philosophy regarding foreign countries: "Honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." :cool:
 
KSA's ability to 'stabilize' the region is its greatest attribute for America? Stabilization for whom, Sunni Muslims?? How does that NOT create a destabilizing effect in the region?

I say let the sectarian violence continue in the Middle East without America's help (officially, at least). Wahabbists are gonna try to kill Americans and Israelis, anyway. That region isn't ready for democracy.
 
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Call me old-fashioned as hell, but I don't see how my family and I, or my country, is influenced by who the Main Dude is in either Syria, Iran, Iraq or Ukraine. It's none of our damn business.

Call me old-fashioned, but I'm all in with George Washington's philosophy regarding foreign countries: "Honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." :cool:

In days of old your attitude would have been quite right. But technology has changed a lot since George Washington's times. What was a good basis for policy then describes sheer ignorance now and could easily cause your kids to die in a nuclear holocaust.
 
The war crimes taking place in Yemen, and the pacification of all opposition in the gulf states don't matter, Bidness is bidness...
 
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A damn shame. I applaud Rand Paul and Chris Muphy's efforts in attempting to stop this sale of weapons to one of the worst human right abusing countries on this planet. While Saudi Arabis drops bombs indiscriminately in Yemen and commits war crime after war crime in Yemen, our government believes that we should be arming them with more weapons to commit war crimes with in Yemen. One thing is for sure, the military industrial complex is sure as **** going to be happy with some new contracts. This is so ****ed up. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I agree completely.

It is staggeringly hypocritical to freak out about Iran and then turn around and sell arms to Saudi Arabia - one of the most disgusting and repressive regimes in the world.

American foreign policy is based on JUST two things - the military industrial complex and absolutely moronic neoconservatism.
 
In days of old your attitude would have been quite right. But technology has changed a lot since George Washington's times. What was a good basis for policy then describes sheer ignorance now and could easily cause your kids to die in a nuclear holocaust.

Are you saying that military aggession demonstrates wisdom and honor? You've painted yourself in the corner old buddy.
 
U.S. President Barack Obama's administration has offered Saudi Arabia more than $115 billion in weapons, other military equipment and training, the most of any U.S. administration in the 71-year U.S.-Saudi alliance, a report seen by Reuters has found
Obama administration arms sales offers to Saudi top $115 billion: report

From a Nobel Peace Prize winner to the world's biggest arms dealer. I mean, who cares about something as insignificant as human rights and decency? :roll:
 
Are you saying that military aggession demonstrates wisdom and honor? You've painted yourself in the corner old buddy.

No. But abrogate military aggression absolutely is even worse than using it more often than necessary. That is rather elementary theory of peace.
 
From a Nobel Peace Prize winner to the world's biggest arms dealer. I mean, who cares about something as insignificant as human rights and decency? :roll:

Obama might be about many things. He is not about peace, security, human rights and decency.
 
Is this why Obama vetoed the bill to be able to sue the Saudi's?

If it is, that is pretty crappy.
 
Actually, Iran is #1. We paved the way for them to build a nuke.

What were the nationalities of the 9/11 terrorists again?
 
What were the nationalities of the 9/11 terrorists again?

Who openly supports Hezbollah and Hamas? There's no evidence Saudi Arabia has a policy of funding terrorism.

By your logic, we're at war with Islam.
 
Who openly supports Hezbollah and Hamas?
Has Hezbollah or Hamas attacked Americans?

You hate Iran so much that you didn't care about 9/11? OK, noted.

There's no evidence Saudi Arabia has a policy of funding terrorism.

How Saudi Wahhabism Is the Fountainhead of Islamist Terrorism | Huffington Post

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-islam.html?_r=0
By your logic, we're at war with Islam.
Wrong. We're at war because we helped fund and arm extremism.
 
Has Hezbollah or Hamas attacked Americans?

You hate Iran so much that you didn't care about 9/11? OK, noted.



How Saudi Wahhabism Is the Fountainhead of Islamist Terrorism | Huffington Post

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-islam.html?_r=0

Wrong. We're at war because we helped fund and arm extremism.

Nothing in there about the Saudi government funding terrorism.

You don't hate Iran?

CNN.com - Khobar Towers indictments returned - June 22, 2001

Iran Held Liable In Khobar Attack
 
Your own article says 13 Saudis were indicted on that attack, do you even read your own links?

The Saudis fund Wahabbist schools that churn out extremists and you dont think they fund extremism?

What was Bin Laden's nationality again?

You ignored the second all together?

Here's another...

Between 1982 and 1986, there were 36 suicide attacks in Lebanon directed against American, French and Israelis forces by 41 individuals, killing 659.[61] Hezbollah denies involvement in some of these attacks, though it has been accused of being involved or linked to some or all of these attacks:[193][194]

The 1982–1983 Tyre headquarters bombings
The April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing (by the Islamic Jihad Organization),[195]

The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing (by the Islamic Jihad Organization), that killed 241 U.S. marines, 58 French paratroopers and 6 civilians at the US and French barracks in Beirut[196]

The 1983 Kuwait bombings in collaboration with the Iraqi Dawa Party.[197]

The 1984 United States embassy annex bombing, killing 24.[198]

A spate of attacks on IDF troops and SLA militiamen in southern Lebanon.[61]

Hijacking of TWA Flight 847 in 1985,[196]
The Lebanon hostage crisis from 1982 to 1992.[199]
Since 1990, terror acts and attempts of which Hezbollah has been blamed include the following bombings and attacks against civilians and diplomats:

The 1992 Israeli Embassy attack in Buenos Aires, killing 29, in Argentina.[196] Hezbollah operatives boasted of involvement.[200]

The 1994 AMIA bombing of a Jewish cultural centre, killing 85, in Argentina.[196] Hezbollah claimed responsibility.[200]

The 1994 AC Flight 901 attack, killing 21, in Panama.[201] Hezbollah claimed responsibility.[200]

The 1994 London Israeli Embassy attack, injuring 29, in the United Kingdom.[202]
The 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, killing 19 US servicemen.[203]

Providing "direct assistance" to al Qaeda, including training and explosives, in orchestrating the 1998 United States embassy bombings.[204]

In 2002, Singapore accused Hezbollah of recruiting Singaporeans in a failed 1990s plot to attack U.S. and Israeli ships in the Singapore Straits.[205]
The January 15, 2008, bombing of a U.S. Embassy vehicle in Beirut.[206]

In 2009, a Hezbollah plot in Egypt was uncovered, where Egyptian authorities arrested 49 men for planning attacks against Israeli and Egyptian targets in the Sinai Peninsula.[207]

The 2012 Burgas bus bombing, killing 6, in Bulgaria.[208]
Training Shia insurgents against.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

Now, you know how many times Hezbollah attacked The United States.
 
You ignored the second all together?

Here's another...



Now, you know how many times Hezbollah attacked The United States.

Islamic Jihad isnt Hezbollah, and many attacks you cited were against Isrealis, is Israel part of the US now?

Saudis have killed thousands of Americans yet you seem to ignore that fact and even defend them. Why is that?
 
Islamic Jihad isnt Hezbollah, and many attacks you cited were against Isrealis, is Israel part of the US now?

Saudis have killed thousands of Americans yet you seem to ignore that fact and even defend them. Why is that?

You're just going to flat-out lie, now?
 
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