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Mass Immigration Costs Government $296 Billion a Year, Depresses Wages

Key findings from the research:

  • There is little evidence that immigration significantly affects the overall employment levels of native-born workers. As with wage impacts, there is some evidence that recent immigrants reduce the employment rate of prior immigrants. In addition, recent research finds that immigration reduces the number of hours worked by native teens (but not their employment levels).
  • When measured over a period of 10 years or more, the impact of immigration on the wages of native-born workers overall is very small. To the extent that negative impacts occur, they are most likely to be found for prior immigrants or native-born workers who have not completed high school—who are often the closest substitutes for immigrant workers with low skills
  • Some evidence on inflow of skilled immigrants suggests that there may be positive wage effects for some subgroups of native-born workers, and other benefits to the economy more broadly.
  • Immigration has an overall positive impact on long-run economic growth in the U.S.
  • In terms of fiscal impacts, first-generation immigrants are more costly to governments, mainly at the state and local levels, than are the native-born, in large part due to the costs of educating their children. However, as adults, the children of immigrants (the second generation) are among the strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the U.S. population, contributing more in taxes than either their parents or the rest of the native-born population.
  • Over the long term, the impacts of immigrants on government budgets are generally positive at the federal level but remain negative at the state and local level — but these generalizations are subject to a number of important assumptions. Immigration’s fiscal effects vary tremendously across states.

I mean, why let honesty get in the way of a perfectly good false narrative?

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DirtyRat said:
Yes, because the first thing you should do when a boatload of people fleeing chemical gas attacks is ask if they have enough money to help our rich people get richer.

You certainly do live up to making the dollar the only value you care about, to the exclusion of all other considerations. I'm sure you are content with this. I can't say I share your notion of morals nor ethics, however.
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You know nothing of my ethics or morals, so please stop pretending.

Both candidate believe in vetting. Isn't that correct?
 
Blue_State said:
You know nothing of my ethics or morals, so please stop pretending.

Both candidate believe in vetting. Isn't that correct?
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My understanding of your ethics and morals is defined by your actions and expressions, the focus of your priorities over other concerns.

Your failure to conceive of the possibility some people actually do judge you based on your thoughts and actions defining a value for you, and as importantly your thoughtlessness and inactions for things you do not value is a serious flaw in your perception of the world.
 
DirtyRat said:
My understanding of your ethics and morals is defined by your actions and expressions, the focus of your priorities over other concerns.

Your failure to conceive of the possibility some people actually do judge you based on your thoughts and actions defining a value for you, and as importantly your thoughtlessness and inactions for things you do not value is a serious flaw in your perception of the world.
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You are projecting, and incorrectly so. Furthermore, you have added nothing to the conversation and this seems to be your MO all over the board. Full of accusations and little of substance. I would prefer if you leave me out of your trolling. Thanks.
 
PeteEU said:
Does it deflate wages? Yes and know, depends on the industry. Take fruit pickers.. most Americans (or Europeans) would not want to do that job, especially at minimum wage. Immigrants would. But why not raise the wages to a level that would make Americans want the job.. well sure, but add a few dollars on each fruit/veggy you consume then.
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Only 4% of illegal immigrants work in agriculture, leaving 96% who don't. The 'who's going to pick your lettuce' argument is massively overused, and doesn't reflect the fact that only a tiny fraction of illegals perform this kind of labor.

How about other industries.. tech? Wages here are higher then ever.. and more and more immigrants come. Why? Cause Americans/Europeans dont have the skill set, so you need Asians and others to pick up the slack.
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American tech companies like Microsoft want foreign tech workers, because they can be paid less, and are generally more subservient than American workers. And yes, there has been a shortage of skilled American tech workers.

Also have to factor in cost of living. A programmer in India might earn 1/4 of what a programmer in California or Texas does, but the cost of living is also massively smaller in India vs California.

So it is all relative... do wages get depressed.. sure but higher wages has consequences as well depending on the job.
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Americans now have to compete with people from around the world for jobs at American companies. Great for programmers in India, laborers from Mexico, workers from China, and bad for Americans.
 
truthatallcost said:
"Immigration drains the government, sapping as much as $296 billion a year from federal, state and local taxpayers while depressing wages, at least in the short run, according to an authoritative study released Wednesday by the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine.

The 500-page academic tome is supposed to be the final word about the fiscal and economic effects of mass immigration, and its findings challenge some long-held assumptions of Washington policymakers that immigration is an unqualified benefit."

Mass immigration costs govt. $296 billion a year: National Academy of Sciences - Washington Times

Contrary to the talking points of some major political parties, immigration has been found to have a negative fiscal impact for most Americans.

Is it time for us to rethink our immigration policy?

Thoughts?
Comments?
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Let's just shoot them all.....wait, that's how we made all those refugees seeking a new place to live in the first place.
 
Ikari said:
Let's just shoot them all.....wait, that's how we made all those refugees seeking a new place to live in the first place.
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When did we do that?
 
PeteEU said:
1) Immigration should never be confused with refugees... a lot of people do that.
2) Immigration is beneficial, but also has its negatives.

Does it deflate wages? Yes and know, depends on the industry. Take fruit pickers.. most Americans (or Europeans) would not want to do that job, especially at minimum wage. Immigrants would. But why not raise the wages to a level that would make Americans want the job.. well sure, but add a few dollars on each fruit/veggy you consume then.

How about other industries.. tech? Wages here are higher then ever.. and more and more immigrants come. Why? Cause Americans/Europeans dont have the skill set, so you need Asians and others to pick up the slack.

Also have to factor in cost of living. A programmer in India might earn 1/4 of what a programmer in California or Texas does, but the cost of living is also massively smaller in India vs California.

So it is all relative... do wages get depressed.. sure but higher wages has consequences as well depending on the job.
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70% of illegal immigrants get on welfare when they get to The United States.
 
apdst said:
When did we do that?
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When we made the ME into a complete, lawless crudhole.

This is just more fallout of the old West vs. Russia fight we've been doing by proxy for some time, and then our involvement in the ME which toppled governments and left power vacuums that have been used by terrorist organizations to seize power and spread violence and chaos.

Actions have consequences.
 
truthatallcost said:
"Immigration drains the government, sapping as much as $296 billion a year from federal, state and local taxpayers while depressing wages, at least in the short run, according to an authoritative study released Wednesday by the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine.

The 500-page academic tome is supposed to be the final word about the fiscal and economic effects of mass immigration, and its findings challenge some long-held assumptions of Washington policymakers that immigration is an unqualified benefit."

Mass immigration costs govt. $296 billion a year: National Academy of Sciences - Washington Times

Contrary to the talking points of some major political parties, immigration has been found to have a negative fiscal impact for most Americans.

Is it time for us to rethink our immigration policy?

Thoughts?
Comments?
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I've been posting intuitively for years what this report now empirically states.

The legal immigration quota needs to be set each year to be equal to the previous year's legal emigration count of natural-born citizens. That would begin to greatly reduce the over-population nightmare that awaits us in 2050, not to mention stave off the riotous disasters that would otherwise occur as we near 2100.
 
apdst said:
70% of illegal immigrants get on welfare when they get to The United States.
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Is it just a coincidence that you failed to source your statement?
 
Ikari said:
When we made the ME into a complete, lawless crudhole.

This is just more fallout of the old West vs. Russia fight we've been doing by proxy for some time, and then our involvement in the ME which toppled governments and left power vacuums that have been used by terrorist organizations to seize power and spread violence and chaos.

Actions have consequences.
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WE (The United States) didn't. The only thing WE are responsible for is childishly believing that if we didn't keep a lid on things, thst they would sort themselves out. WE never went to the ME and tried to, "shoot them all".
 
Ontologuy said:
The legal immigration quota needs to be set each year to be equal to the previous year's legal emigration count of natural-born citizens. That would begin to greatly reduce the over-population nightmare that awaits us in 2050, not to mention stave off the riotous disasters that would otherwise occur as we near 2100.
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Did you actually read the report, or are you just making this statement based on a heavily sensationalized article?
 
apdst said:
WE (The United States) didn't. The only thing WE are responsible for is childishly believing that if we didn't keep a lid on things, thst they would sort themselves out. WE never went to the ME and tried to, "shoot them all".
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We certainly have contributed to all of this, for sure. We've been in the ME directly for the past like 15 years and that interventionism has fed the destabilizing mechanisms that have gone on to produce the flood of people trying to get the fudge out.
 
Ikari said:
We certainly have contributed to all of this, for sure. We've been in the ME directly for the past like 15 years and that interventionism has fed the destabilizing mechanisms that have gone on to produce the flood of people trying to get the fudge out.
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The ME was a ****hole for centuries prior to 2003.
 
apdst said:
I mistakenly assumed everyone already knew.

Report: America attracting poor, uneducated immigrants | Washington Examiner
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You mistakenly stated something that is not supported, nor can be considered common knowledge.

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Of the 62%, 48% comes from school lunch programs.

Source
 
apdst said:
The ME was a ****hole for centuries prior to 2003.
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But profoundly more stable before we started monkeying around in it.
 
Kushinator said:
You mistakenly stated something that is not supported, nor can be considered common knowledge.

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Of the 62%, 47% comes from school lunch programs.

Source
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Who's paying for it?

The fact is, most immigrants and illegal aliens get on welfare when they get to The U.S.
 
Ikari said:
Let's just shoot them all.....wait, that's how we made all those refugees seeking a new place to live in the first place.
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Average Americans didn't do this, corrupt government + oil industry directed our military to invade Iraq. Punish them , not average Americans who will have to deal with terrorism and the burden of supporting refugees.

Now, get back to the OP please.
 
truthatallcost said:
Average Americans didn't do this, corrupt government + oil industry directed our military to invade Iraq. Punish them , not average Americans who will have to deal with terrorism and the burden of supporting refugees.

Now, get back to the OP please.
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We're responsible for the actions of our government on some front. Sure, the majority of us haven't been bombing the piss out of the ME, making it prime breeding ground for terrorists, and leading to the general instability of the region. But our government has been, other's governments have been as well. And now we've helped make this environment where people's cities have been reduced to rubble for years and are not subjected to the throes of terrorism, and we have some responsibility in that. We shouldn't have allowed our government to act in such a manner, but we did, and there were repercussions for that choice for that action. We are beholden to those consequences. It's going to be expensive, and we're going to have to invest a lot of effort in order to vet and make sure people coming in are OK. But perhaps we should be looking at the prevention of bombing cities back to the stone age in the first place and we could not have to worry about the money and effort we'd have to put in when all these people start fleeing the areas that are, essentially, no longer livable.
 
apdst said:
Who's paying for it?

The fact is, most immigrants and illegal aliens get on welfare when they get to The U.S.
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You made a false statement, doubled down with the nonsense using a source that refutes it, and then side step to the statement of "who's paying for it?". I sense a complete lack in basic math and reasoning skills.

The DHS estimates 11.4 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.. Given the discrepancy between native and illegal, and that the school lunch program costs $11.3 billion... how much do you think this accounts to?

Furthermore, how much do illegal immigrants pay into S.S.?
 
Ikari said:
We're responsible for the actions of our government on some front. Sure, the majority of us haven't been bombing the piss out of the ME, making it prime breeding ground for terrorists, and leading to the general instability of the region. But our government has been, other's governments have been as well.
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Are average Iraqis somehow responsible for the atrocities that Saddam Hussein committed?

Are average Japanese people responsible for Japan's government attempting to lie and cover up the Fukushima disaster?
 
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