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US Election 2016: George HW Bush 'To vote for Clinton'[W:146]

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Slyfox696 said:
I was being sarcastic. It's a distinction without a difference.
I'm quite sure of that. I'm just not a fan of hypocrisy or untruths.

Also, again, I'm still waiting on those details.
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Details I never claimed or am obligated to provide. Hahah, hold your breath. :lol:
 
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American said:
Details I never claimed
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You asked what specifics one would like to see from Donald Trump. I answered your question. Are you saying Donald Trump did not provide specifics? Are you going to ignore this comment, like you ignored it the last two times?

or am obligated to provide.
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You're certainly correct, you're not obligated to provide. But since you were the one who asked what specifics one would like to see, it sure does seem a little disingenuous to later claim you aren't interested in providing them. Why ask a question if you are disinterested in the response?
 
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jmotivator said:
Since the explosion of Bernie and Trump on the scene this election has been a referendum on establishment politics. Democrat voters chose the establishment candidate, Republicans chose anti-establishment. It makes prefect sense that a career establishment politician would back the only establishment candidate in the race.

All this really does is provide evidence to the claim that there is little difference between establishment Republicans and Democrats.
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I figured that out when I looked at who funded each party. All the banks funded both parties. They don't care who we vote for their candidate wins and we lose. I was hoping Bernie after exposing Hillary as the bought and paid for puppet of the rich he would not have endorsed or approved of such corruption. I almost fell for that whole line of having principals but when push came to shove he showed his true colors. It would have been interesting to see how many among the republicans would have backed Trump if he was their party puppet instead of rebel who broke all the rules. The republican party clearly does not control, own, or support Trump.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
George H.W. Bush is only a war hero because he wasn't captured. If he had been captured, he wouldn't be a war hero. At least that's what I'm told.
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I always thought you could be a war hero regardless of whether you were captured or not. Since when has being captured automatically make you a hero.

I thought you became a war hero by doing something heroic.

Surrendering or being captured is not necessarily a heroic event. Even being killed in combat is not a guarantee you are hero. Lots of soldiers have deserted their post and were killed or captured and caused the unnecessary death or capture of lots of other soldiers as a consequence of their actions. They are not heroes.
 
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jmotivator said:
Since the explosion of Bernie and Trump on the scene this election has been a referendum on establishment politics. Democrat voters chose the establishment candidate, Republicans chose anti-establishment. It makes prefect sense that a career establishment politician would back the only establishment candidate in the race.

All this really does is provide evidence to the claim that there is little difference between establishment Republicans and Democrats.
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Of course President Bush 1st might simply be choosing to vote democratic because the anti establishment candidate is a moron.
 
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That settles it I will never vote fur HW Bush again. Past that not sure why this matters.
The same folks that have been crapping all over his ideas for close to 30 years now all the sudden see the light and think he should be listened to.

I respect Bush for accomplishing the stated goals of the 1st Gulf War. I think he was short sighted by not adding the removal of Saddam as a goal.
I respect the man for continuing to stay active as long as he has.

Bush is old status quo. Trump is a threat to the plan he has. I take that into consideration when I hear stories of who is supposedly voting for who.

This is a political family so this could all be lip service to help paint the Bush family in a better light for another Jeb run.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
stop, there was an election. For both candidates, you people who hate those candidates lost, you can be a malcontent over the results of two legitimate elections if you want but don't project that on everyone else
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Nope. I have zero problem with judging others decisions.

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jmotivator said:
Fourteen Medal of Honor recipients endorse Trump | Military Times

No idea how many endorse Hillary of the 76 living recipients, but the point still stands either way. If Tres really wanted to know why a war hero endorses Trump she could always watch the endorsement speeches by these war heroes. But she doesn't really want to know.
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How many of them do you think believe that POWs and those who willingly undergo torture rather than break faith with their brethren are losers?

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American said:
Tres and cpwill, like two peas in a pod. Cheering the vote for Hillary. ****ing amazing. SMH
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What part of "that's unfortunate" skipped past you, there, slick?

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shrubnose said:
US Republican ex-president George HW Bush will vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton in November,US news website Politico reports.

Read the article here: US election 2016: George HW Bush 'to vote for Clinton' - BBC News

This is a surprise to me but I'm sure that other people in the GOP will be voting for Clinton.
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Bill Clinton and Bush Sr. have been golfing buddies for years, and probably more than golfing buddies. Why would he NOT vote for Hitlery? They both serve the same masters.
 
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Gaius46 said:
Of course President Bush 1st might simply be choosing to vote democratic because the anti establishment candidate is a moron.
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Maybe, but for the fact that Hillary is a demonstrably idiotic screw up.
 
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PIPEWRENCH said:
I always thought you could be a war hero regardless of whether you were captured or not.
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Take it up with Donald Trump, he seemed to disagree with your line of thinking.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
Take it up with Donald Trump, he seemed to disagree with your line of thinking.
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I have no issue with what Trump said. He said he likes the ones who didn't get caught. I understand where he is coming from. If a person performs flawlessly and the mission is a smooth success they are not considered heroes. But if you screw up and get yourself and other people killed a lot of times these people are then considered heroes. The everyone gets a trophy theory. It is nice for the families and the politically correct but I am more proud and would rather be the one who did not screw up and nobody ever knows about.
 
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jmotivator said:
Since the explosion of Bernie and Trump on the scene this election has been a referendum on establishment politics. Democrat voters chose the establishment candidate, Republicans chose anti-establishment. It makes prefect sense that a career establishment politician would back the only establishment candidate in the race.

All this really does is provide evidence to the claim that there is little difference between establishment Republicans and Democrats.
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Or it could be that for someone that has actually sat in the oval office and been president, the idea that Donald Trump, a pathological lying, remarkably ignorant, bigot, sexist, and walking personality disorder, could be the president of the most powerful nation on earth is absolutely horrifying.
 
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PIPEWRENCH said:
I have no issue with what Trump said. He said he likes the ones who didn't get caught. I understand where he is coming from. If a person performs flawlessly and the mission is a smooth success they are not considered heroes. But if you screw up and get yourself and other people killed a lot of times these people are then considered heroes. The everyone gets a trophy theory. It is nice for the families and the politically correct but I am more proud and would rather be the one who did not screw up and nobody ever knows about.
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Oh for **** sakes....:roll:
 
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shrubnose said:
US Republican ex-president George HW Bush will vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton in November,US news website Politico reports.

Read the article here: US election 2016: George HW Bush 'to vote for Clinton' - BBC News

This is a surprise to me but I'm sure that other people in the GOP will be voting for Clinton.
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Outside of a few high profile GOP'ers who will vote for Clinton, most of the rest is going with third party candidates. While only 78% of Republican state they will be voting for Trump, Romney won 93% of the GOP base vote back in 2012. 9% of the remaining 22% are going for Johnson and 1% for Stein. According to RCP averaging the polls that list the party breakdowns, Clinton is getting 6% of the GOP base vote, the exact same percentage Obama received in 2012. The remaining 6% are divided up between won't vote and don't know. But there is no rush to Clinton even in the anti or never Trump GOP crowd.

Clinton and the Democrats are also having a third party problem this year, but 6% of Democrats state they will vote for Johnson, 5% for Stein. Where Clinton has a huge problem is in the 18-30 year old bracket where a third of them are voting third party. Obama won this age group 62-38 back in 2012, Clinton leads in this age group 37-28%. While Trump is ten points behind Romney's showing back in 2012, Clinton is a huge 25 points below Obama's showing.

Stuff like this should be expected when both candidates are disliked by close to 60% of all Americans.
 
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PIPEWRENCH said:
I have no issue with what Trump said. He said he likes the ones who didn't get caught. I understand where he is coming from. If a person performs flawlessly and the mission is a smooth success they are not considered heroes. But if you screw up and get yourself and other people killed a lot of times these people are then considered heroes. The everyone gets a trophy theory. It is nice for the families and the politically correct but I am more proud and would rather be the one who did not screw up and nobody ever knows about.
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You can spin it however you like, but I sure wouldn't want to be a POW if Trump was my CINC. That statement of his peeved a lot of Vietnam vets off. You can tell by their reaction at the VFW meetings. Quite a lot a taking a pass on this election as they certainly do not want Clinton as CINC and Trump has joined her in that feeling.
 
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jmotivator said:
Since the explosion of Bernie and Trump on the scene this election has been a referendum on establishment politics. Democrat voters chose the establishment candidate, Republicans chose anti-establishment. It makes prefect sense that a career establishment politician would back the only establishment candidate in the race.

All this really does is provide evidence to the claim that there is little difference between establishment Republicans and Democrats.
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No. It doesn't.

It just proves:

1. There are millions of utterly principle-less conservatives who will vote for anyone calling themselves a Republican
2. That the GOP and Tea Party actually hadn't tapped into the most paranoid and ignorant portion of the population like they thought they had

That's all. Party loyalty combined with appeal to the the conservative version of the lowest common denominator is what got Trump the nomination.

The fact that no living President is voting for the guy speaks the truth to how awful Trump is.
 
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PIPEWRENCH said:
I have no issue with what Trump said. He said he likes the ones who didn't get caught. I understand where he is coming from. If a person performs flawlessly and the mission is a smooth success they are not considered heroes. But if you screw up and get yourself and other people killed a lot of times these people are then considered heroes. The everyone gets a trophy theory. It is nice for the families and the politically correct but I am more proud and would rather be the one who did not screw up and nobody ever knows about.
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BEST POST ever in truly representing the Trump spirit.
 
Re: US Election 2016: George HW Bush 'To vote for Clinton'

PIPEWRENCH said:
I have no issue with what Trump said. He said he likes the ones who didn't get caught. I understand where he is coming from. If a person performs flawlessly and the mission is a smooth success they are not considered heroes. But if you screw up and get yourself and other people killed a lot of times these people are then considered heroes. The everyone gets a trophy theory. It is nice for the families and the politically correct but I am more proud and would rather be the one who did not screw up and nobody ever knows about.
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Don't say things like this and then resent being called deplorable. Beyond that, I truly have no words.
 
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He was still a crumby president and a lousy ex-president and he still raised an idiot for a son. But this will help his legacy a little.

So, good for him. :peace
 
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PIPEWRENCH said:
I have no issue with what Trump said. He said he likes the ones who didn't get caught. I understand where he is coming from. If a person performs flawlessly and the mission is a smooth success they are not considered heroes. But if you screw up and get yourself and other people killed a lot of times these people are then considered heroes. The everyone gets a trophy theory. It is nice for the families and the politically correct but I am more proud and would rather be the one who did not screw up and nobody ever knows about.
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The weirdest thing about this post is that if a liberal had posted something like this, 30 conservatives would be jumping to cut that liberal's head off with some whiney right wing troll leading the charge.
 
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Hatuey said:
The weirdest thing about this post is that if a liberal had posted something like this, 30 conservatives would be jumping to cut that liberal's head off with some whiney right wing troll leading the charge.
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Of course. That is to be expected from people looking at it from a political point of view trying to find some way to twist everything said into their agenda. This being done by both sides trying to make the other candidate look like the bad guy. Just like a good magician as long as we are seeing, hearing, and thinking what the magician wants us to see hear and think we are easily fooled.
 
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Opopanax said:
Don't say things like this and then resent being called deplorable. Beyond that, I truly have no words.
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You can call me deplorable but it will not change the truth or the facts.

The problem is what I said is true. Granted it is not politically correct or nice. I was in the military. It is not nice when your squad gets the suicide mission. The problem is someone has to do it. If everyone does their job the number killed and injured are held to a minimum. But any screw up can easily double or triple the number getting killed or injured.

It is unfortunate that a lot of soldiers have been and will continue to be killed by friendly fire, bad intelligence, or someone screwing up. Soldiers have been captured because they misread their compass and headed into the enemy instead of back to safety. These are facts and acknowledging the facts and better training solve the problem not lying and covering up the problem by being politically correct. In most cases the military is not going to send you your child back in a body bag with a note that says screw up on it. No everyone dies honorably for this country and I hope that policy continues even if it is not true. But to not acknowledge the truth does not fix things. It makes it worse. Most of the people killed and injured in war are the result of mistakes, poor training, or bad decisions on someones part.
 
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