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Johnson, Stein fail to qualify for first debate

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Johnson, Stein fail to qualify for first debate


September 16, 2016

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Washington (CNN) Libertarian Gary Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein will not participate in the first presidential debate, and their running mates will not be in the vice presidential debate, the Commission on Presidential Debates announced Friday. The decision means Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump will be the only two candidates on the stage on September 26, and Tim Kaine and Mike Pence, their respective running mates, will be the only participants on October 4. The candidates needed to make a 15% polling threshold across several major national polls in order to qualify for the debates. The commission determined that the polling averages for the candidates had Clinton at 43%, Trump at 40.4%, Johnson at 8.4% and Stein at 3.2%.

Johnson has publicly said that being excluded from the debates would doom his campaign. Johnson said he wasn't surprised by the decision to "exclude" him from the first debate. "There are more polls and more debates, and we plan to be on the debate stage in October," Johnson said in a statement.

Stein said in a statement that she plans to show up with "hundreds" of supporters outside the event. "We will be at the debate to insist that Americans not only have a right to vote, but we have a right to know who we can vote for," she said.

Neither Johnson nor Stein satisfied the 15% support-threshold of the five polls recognized by the the Commission on Presidential Debates . The first televised debate (NBC/Lester Holt) is scheduled for September 26. VP candidates Tim Kaine and Mike Pence will debate on October 4.

It is possible that Johnson and/or Stein will meet the debate criteria (or revised criteria) to qualify for the second scheduled presidential debate (CNN/Anderson Cooper and ABC/Martha Raddatz) on October 9, or the third scheduled presidential debate (Fox/ Chris Wallace) on October 19.
 
Simpleχity;1066323774 said:
Johnson, Stein fail to qualify for first debate




Neither Johnson nor Stein satisfied the 15% support-threshold of the five polls recognized by the the Commission on Presidential Debates . The first televised debate (NBC/Lester Holt) is scheduled for September 26. VP candidates Tim Kaine and Mike Pence will debate on October 4.

It is possible that Johnson and/or Stein will meet the debate criteria (or revised criteria) to qualify for the second scheduled presidential debate (CNN/Anderson Cooper and ABC/Martha Raddatz) on October 9, or the third scheduled presidential debate (Fox/ Chris Wallace) on October 19.

The two parties have no interest in letting the public hear from any third party candidate, not in this debate or the next debate, not ever.

So, I suppose Trump will have to step up and actually participate in this debate, or Clinton will have the stage all to herself.
 
Perhaps the talk will go to discussing how Hillary is dead, has smaller hands and bigger cajones then Trump
 
Simpleχity;1066323774 said:
Johnson, Stein fail to qualify for first debate




Neither Johnson nor Stein satisfied the 15% support-threshold of the five polls recognized by the the Commission on Presidential Debates . The first televised debate (NBC/Lester Holt) is scheduled for September 26. VP candidates Tim Kaine and Mike Pence will debate on October 4.

It is possible that Johnson and/or Stein will meet the debate criteria (or revised criteria) to qualify for the second scheduled presidential debate (CNN/Anderson Cooper and ABC/Martha Raddatz) on October 9, or the third scheduled presidential debate (Fox/ Chris Wallace) on October 19.
Johnson sold himself and Weld to the LP by arguing that he had the name recognition to get on the ballot everywhere, get in the debates, and bring in national media.

Then the LP watched their ticket talk about the need to limit the 1st Amendment, the 2nd Amendment, and how wonderful Hillary was.

Bet some folks today have some serious buyers remorse.

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Johnson sold himself and Weld to the LP by arguing that he had the name recognition to get on the ballot everywhere, get in the debates, and bring in national media.

Then the LP watched their ticket talk about the need to limit the 1st Amendment, the 2nd Amendment, and how wonderful Hillary was.

Bet some folks today have some serious buyers remorse.

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No doubt.
But not as much as the Democrats and Republicans have.
 
Simpleχity;1066323774 said:
Johnson, Stein fail to qualify for first debate




Neither Johnson nor Stein satisfied the 15% support-threshold of the five polls recognized by the the Commission on Presidential Debates . The first televised debate (NBC/Lester Holt) is scheduled for September 26. VP candidates Tim Kaine and Mike Pence will debate on October 4.

It is possible that Johnson and/or Stein will meet the debate criteria (or revised criteria) to qualify for the second scheduled presidential debate (CNN/Anderson Cooper and ABC/Martha Raddatz) on October 9, or the third scheduled presidential debate (Fox/ Chris Wallace) on October 19.

Where does the 15% figure come from anyway? The only way that number could be more specific is if it was "13.67%"
 
Where does the 15% figure come from anyway? The only way that number could be more specific is if it was "13.67%"

I believe it's an arbitrary number that the RNC and DNC came up with. Of course, should a third party candidate reach the 15% level, the standard can be raised.
 
The two parties have no interest in letting the public hear from any third party candidate, not in this debate or the next debate, not ever.

So, I suppose Trump will have to step up and actually participate in this debate, or Clinton will have the stage all to herself.

It is nobody's fault but the third parties that their platforms don't resonate with a larger portion of the American people. This has nothing to do with the Democrats and Republicans, it has everything to do with the utter failure that is the Libertarian and Green parties.
 
Johnson sold himself and Weld to the LP by arguing that he had the name recognition to get on the ballot everywhere, get in the debates, and bring in national media.

Then the LP watched their ticket talk about the need to limit the 1st Amendment, the 2nd Amendment, and how wonderful Hillary was.

Bet some folks today have some serious buyers remorse.

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My complaint about Johnson goes back to the 2012 election. He is simply not a serious candidate.
 
It is nobody's fault but the third parties that their platforms don't resonate with a larger portion of the American people. This has nothing to do with the Democrats and Republicans, it has everything to do with the utter failure that is the Libertarian and Green parties.

It has more to do with the fact that few people know who the green or libertarian candidates are, what their platforms are, what they stand for, and that even those that are aware that there actually are more than two parties understand that the third party candidates have no chance of winning anyway. They can't win because no one will vote for them because they can't win. It's a catch 22.

So, the best we can hope for is enough third party votes to wake up the major parties to the fact that most voters find neither of the candidates to be acceptable.
 
It is nobody's fault but the third parties that their platforms don't resonate with a larger portion of the American people. This has nothing to do with the Democrats and Republicans, it has everything to do with the utter failure that is the Libertarian and Green parties.

The issue is not about platforms not resonating with the public, but the matter of what is essentially two clubs that are massive money-raising institutions who can push their message with much more force and who have simultaneously negotiated with the media the terms over how that message is disseminated.
 
It has more to do with the fact that few people know who the green or libertarian candidates are, what their platforms are, what they stand for, and that even those that are aware that there actually are more than two parties understand that the third party candidates have no chance of winning anyway. They can't win because no one will vote for them because they can't win. It's a catch 22.

So, the best we can hope for is enough third party votes to wake up the major parties to the fact that most voters find neither of the candidates to be acceptable.

No, I think people know, they just don't like them.. i know exactly who the Libertarians and Greens are, I just wouldn't be caught dead voting for either of them.

And the Libertarians have been hoping for that mythical 5% of the vote for more than 40 years and have never even come close. Then they make excuses and come up with conspiracy theories why they fail. They fail because nobody likes them. It isn't rocket science.
 
The issue is not about platforms not resonating with the public, but the matter of what is essentially two clubs that are massive money-raising institutions who can push their message with much more force and who have simultaneously negotiated with the media the terms over how that message is disseminated.

It is the responsibility of any political party to have a platform that resonates with the American people so that they can raise funds and make a showing. If they can't do that, they're a failure. Libertarians and Greens are a failure.
 
It is the responsibility of any political party to have a platform that resonates with the American people so that they can raise funds and make a showing. If they can't do that, they're a failure. Libertarians and Greens are a failure.

The media is their mouthpiece. If the media has colluded with the two major parties over how it is to be used, then that is the issue. Can you honestly say that the Democratic and Republican "messages" are really all that special?
 
I'm happy the fraud known as Gary Johnson failed. The sooner libertarians get rid of his poser ass the better.
 
The media is their mouthpiece. If the media has colluded with the two major parties over how it is to be used, then that is the issue. Can you honestly say that the Democratic and Republican "messages" are really all that special?

That's just more conspiracy theorist BS. Pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else isn't dealing with the reality. And nobody says they are special, they simply resonate with the American people, that's why they get votes. Libertarians and Greens do not. That's why they don't.
 
That's just more conspiracy theorist BS. Pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else isn't dealing with the reality. And nobody says they are special, they simply resonate with the American people, that's why they get votes. Libertarians and Greens do not. That's why they don't.

What is it about Republicans and Democrats that the people like?
 
That's just more conspiracy theorist BS. Pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else isn't dealing with the reality. And nobody says they are special, they simply resonate with the American people, that's why they get votes. Libertarians and Greens do not. That's why they don't.

Um, what? That's just conspiracy theory BS? What do you think the 15% number is?

What is it about the Republicans and Democrats, the two largest money-raising political organizations in the country, whose message "resonates" with the American people?
 
No doubt.
But not as much as the Democrats and Republicans have.

I dunno. I think that there is a significant contingent of Republicans who are refusing to back Trump (though that number is falling). I don't see a comparable movement in the Democrat party.
 
Simpleχity;1066323774 said:
Johnson, Stein fail to qualify for first debate




Neither Johnson nor Stein satisfied the 15% support-threshold of the five polls recognized by the the Commission on Presidential Debates . The first televised debate (NBC/Lester Holt) is scheduled for September 26. VP candidates Tim Kaine and Mike Pence will debate on October 4.

It is possible that Johnson and/or Stein will meet the debate criteria (or revised criteria) to qualify for the second scheduled presidential debate (CNN/Anderson Cooper and ABC/Martha Raddatz) on October 9, or the third scheduled presidential debate (Fox/ Chris Wallace) on October 19.

Maybe Stein and Johnson could hold a campaign rally across the street and donate the proceeds to the vets.
 
I dunno. I think that there is a significant contingent of Republicans who are refusing to back Trump (though that number is falling). I don't see a comparable movement in the Democrat party.

The reason you don't see that is the left does not want Trump as president. He is dangerous, ignorant, egotistical and surrounds himself with yes men. All qualities that the left (even those against Clinton) see him as a national security threat.
 
Johnson sold himself and Weld to the LP by arguing that he had the name recognition to get on the ballot everywhere, get in the debates, and bring in national media.

Then the LP watched their ticket talk about the need to limit the 1st Amendment, the 2nd Amendment, and how wonderful Hillary was.

Bet some folks today have some serious buyers remorse.

That's pretty well the universal sentiment this election around. The Democrats shouldn't have chosen Hillary, the Republicans shouldn't have chosen Trump, the Greens needed Bernie to make it to 15%, and the Libertarians are still failing to capture the attention they wanted through Johnson --and all of which, save perhaps Stein, are failing to hold up to the standards of their base.
 
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