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Trump Adviser, Son Post Image of Trump's 'Deplorables' Featuring White Nationalist

Re: Trump Adviser, Son Post Image of Trump's 'Deplorables' Featuring White Nationalis

:shrug: alright. I'll put your experience against mine, which is that the same people who ((())) folks are the ones posting Pepe memes. :roll: check and match.

I can believe that.
It all depends on which parts of the interwebs you reside.

Good on it. The meme then became a symbol for the Alt Right movement, making it a symbol for the Alt Right movement. The original posters all upset because they wanted it to remain simple smug polling don't get to declare it to be only as such, no matter how much they want it to be.

No, the problem I have it that people are still using it the original way, all the time.
Now they too will be unfairly grouped, if enough stupids start thinking this.


No, you are continuing to try to subsume the Alt Right into the broader portion of the populace that is Authoritarian/Nationalist

I'm attributing parts that I experienced.
People I've heard, from both the horrible to the tame.


Then go bicker with someone who believes that all trump supporters, or half of Trump supporters, are Alt Right.



Define: Apologist.

"Correcting the record" isn't necessarily apologizing.
I'm fully aware, that there are actual racists in alt right and now I'm fairly certain, that the "alt right" is going to be solely associated with racist views.


:shrug: That may be your intention, but what you are de facto doing here is defending a subset of people who are actually racists because they believe and argue racist things. I have repeatedly pointed out that there is a distinction between the broader subset of Trump supporters > Trump supporters who are attracted to At Right themes of Authoritarianism and Nationalism > Actual Alt Right.

Which is why I linked the latter for you.

I'm not defending those.
I was defending a different set who identified or at least, used to identify with said group, who did not expose racist views.

Ah. So your methodology is that you don't know how Nixon got elected, because you don't know anyone who voted for him.

You can criticize my methods, all you want.
I tapped what I thought was a common pulse of Trump supporters.
So far, I've been more right than wrong.

I could end up totally wrong, at the end of the day though.

Trump: 38.8% Favorable, 58.6% Unfavorable. For Obama in 2008, those numbers were reversed.

Trump excites a narrow demographic in his favor, and repels most others.

You're forgetting the "stealth supporter" phenomenon.
Being a vocal Trump supporter, in some places, can be dangerous to ones career and/or image.

The Putin ties to Trump's campaign are real, and have already cost the job of one campaign manager. The Mexican Judge was self-destructive.

I don't have a particular view on the Putin/Trump thing, except that he wants to associate an image that is considered strong, that's speculation.
He was pigeon holing the judge.

So that if he did not get a favorable ruling, he could claim bias.
The only people who seem to care are people who weren't going to vote for him anyway.

You don't attack Gold Star Families. The proper response is Bush's when dealing with Cindy Sheehan. It was stupid. It was also self-destructive.

I like how it is characterized as an attack, when it was a response to an attack.
Talk about distorted history.

Yes, for the publicity, he should of thanked them for their sons sacrifice and went on his day.
 
Re: Trump Adviser, Son Post Image of Trump's 'Deplorables' Featuring White Nationalis

Ok, but you were the one who pointed at that article.
That article said the meme is a symbol of White nationalism/Nazism.

Yes. Because it is. Because they decided to make it one. The meaning of symbols changes with context.

We're just getting to the #notall.

:doh

Claiming that the Alt Right isn't homogenous is irrelevant. No group is homogenous.

I'm associated with people who are voting for Trump, who unfairly get labeled as racists, etc.

Okay.

Who use the stupid as meme and are being slandered, because they're both Trump fans and use the Pepe.

:shrug: in the 2016 election, Pepe has become a symbol for the Alt Right. Don't spraypaint Swastikas on Synagogues in Germany and then get upset when people don't instinctively leap to your intended message of mutual blessings and unity.

I didn't imply that it was, but again it doesn't suddenly change the entire meaning of it because some minor group decides to use it.

No. It changes the meaning in context.

Nah you can search the various areas of the internet that have seen this.
Reactions include, "Dumbest thing this election year" to "RRRRREEEEEEEEE."

Oh goodness. The Comments Section!!! That's Totes 3 Billion People!!!

Pepe is associated with Trump, this election.
For you, it may be "alt right" but in the context of the election and his supporters, its a funny badge.

It's not Alt Right because I say it is. It's Alt Right because the Alt Right has claimed it as their symbol.

Fine, we're just going to be in disagreement, that this had any significant use as a racism meme within this election

:shrug: alright.

We've already gone over that "Alt right" was at least not a wholly racist group.

On the contrary, I have pointed out that A) you are attempting to subsume the Alt Right in a larger group which is not ideologically self-aware as such, and wouldn't likely be if they were attempting to self-define and B) the Alt Right as it is is indeed racist, though they would argue that they are simply identitarian, or focused on the impacts of identity, or the European peoples, or whatever the covering terminology is.

You still believe the whole was indeed racists.
I thought you agreed that the whole, was at least not made up of racists?

Yeah, man. If one of your reasons for organizing is to defend White European People's by fight off the Malign International Jewish Conspiracy and push policy to conform to an Understanding Of The Inferiority of Darker Peoples, you're a racial bigot.
 
Re: Trump Adviser, Son Post Image of Trump's 'Deplorables' Featuring White Nationalis

:shrug: in the 2016 election, Pepe has become a symbol for the Alt Right. Don't spraypaint Swastikas on Synagogues in Germany and then get upset when people don't instinctively leap to your intended message of mutual blessings and unity.

We'll never agree on this.
Sorry.
If that's the way you take it, then that's on you.

Yeah, man. If one of your reasons for organizing is to defend White European People's by fight off the Malign International Jewish Conspiracy and push policy to conform to an Understanding Of The Inferiority of Darker Peoples, you're a racial bigot.

I experienced those as well as those who merely organized under a banner of "alt right" to run against the "elite republicans."
You keep lumping "alt right" under that one banner.
I don't think that accurate.

I'm tired and about to go to bed.
You win.
 
Re: Trump Adviser, Son Post Image of Trump's 'Deplorables' Featuring White Nationalis

We'll never agree on this.
Sorry.
If that's the way you take it, then that's on you.

I experienced those as well as those who merely organized under a banner of "alt right" to run against the "elite republicans."
You keep lumping "alt right" under that one banner.
I don't think that accurate.

I'm tired and about to go to bed.
You win.

I lump Alt Right under it's ideological banner. I agree it's not the whole of the Trump movement.

But no worries man - sleep well.
 
Re: Trump Adviser, Son Post Image of Trump's 'Deplorables' Featuring White Nationalis

I lump Alt Right under it's ideological banner. I agree it's not the whole of the Trump movement.

But no worries man - sleep well.

Sorry for saying you were dishonest.
That was wrong. :/
 
Re: Trump Adviser, Son Post Image of Trump's 'Deplorables' Featuring White Nationalis

Sorry for saying you were dishonest.
That was wrong. :/

We all get upset, and (as you pointed out) we all have the tendency to ascribe negative intentions to disagreement. I've done it myself. Probably to you. :-/

:) Thanks though. That did bother me. Glad to know you don't actually think so.
 
Re: Trump Adviser, Son Post Image of Trump's 'Deplorables' Featuring White Nationalis

We all get upset, and (as you pointed out) we all have the tendency to ascribe negative intentions to disagreement. I've done it myself. Probably to you. :-/

:) Thanks though. That did bother me. Glad to know you don't actually think so.

Sorry for saying you were dishonest.
That was wrong. :/


The **** do you two think you're doing, concluding your arguments and disagreements in a civil manner? This is the internet god damn it!
 
Re: Trump Adviser, Son Post Image of Trump's 'Deplorables' Featuring White Nationalis

The **** do you two think you're doing, concluding your arguments and disagreements in a civil manner? This is the internet god damn it!
Here is a link to a porn search engine and you are LITERALLY A NAZI!!!

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Re: Trump Adviser, Son Post Image of Trump's 'Deplorables' Featuring White Nationalis

We all get upset, and (as you pointed out) we all have the tendency to ascribe negative intentions to disagreement. I've done it myself. Probably to you. :-/

:) Thanks though. That did bother me. Glad to know you don't actually think so.

And so, with their argument concluded, Harry and cpwill shook hands and parted ways, vowing to meet each other again...
 
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