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Conservative Icon Phyllis Schlafly Dies At 92

It was her and her kind that pushed the subservience of women to men.

that's been around for centuries. she merely wanted some of that to continue. Its not something she started. Its sort of like saying David Duke created racism
 
that's been around for centuries. she merely wanted some of that to continue. Its not something she started. Its sort of like saying David Duke created racism

David Duke didn't create racism, but he sure the hell supports it. Shclafly did not create rape, but she certainly gave aid to rapists by stating that a man violently forcing himself on his wife was not rape.
 
I have absolutely no idea who this person is/was.
 
OK, then since I disagree with her, then her life is something to pity? That doesn't make sense. I do not pity her at all. I am quite glad she died. She supported those who raped their wives. She gave aid to wife beaters. She gave aid to those who sexually harrassed women. With her death, the world is a better place.


I would say that if you are glad she died because the world is a better place without her voicing her views. Than her life and it's work is something to pitty. But no need for us to argue philosophy. Continue with the ding dongs the witch is gone.
 
David Duke didn't create racism, but he sure the hell supports it. Shclafly did not create rape, but she certainly gave aid to rapists by stating that a man violently forcing himself on his wife was not rape.


that means you are agreeing with me. to claim that she caused women to be second class citizens is silly. that was happening for centuries.
 
I have absolutely no idea who this person is/was.

I didn't know much about this lady either, but from what I gathered from my US History class, she's most notable for being against the ERA (Equal Rights Amendment).

But she's said and done more reprehensible stuff along with that.
 
I would say that if you are glad she died because the world is a better place without her voicing her views. Than her life and it's work is something to pitty. But no need for us to argue philosophy. Continue with the ding dongs the witch is gone.

Nope. The word is not pity. The word is despise. Let me give you a little background as to why this topic is important to me. When my mother and father got divorced, my mother married a man who was a well respected eye doctor. At one time, he was also the sole owner of the Family Optical Chain in Detroit, and quite rich. He was also an alcoholic who beat my mother continually for many years. We went on vacation one time at Put-In-Bay in Ohio, and on our first night there, we were asked to leave the hotel after my stepfather beat my mother with a wire coathanger. I tried to help my mother and was thrown down a flight of stairs. I was about 8 years old at the time. Years later, I became tough enough to kick his ass while he was in one of his drunken rages. After I beat him up, he then pulled a butcher knife out of the kitchen drawer and threatened me with it. I got hold of a small paring knife and backed him down, telling him that if he ever hit my mother again I would kill him. He never touched my mother after that, and she divorced him a few months later. Later on, due to his alcoholism, he lost his license to practice, and a few years after that died of cirrhosis of the liver. It's a wonder that I turned out to be one of the good guys, but my brothers and I have done OK in life.

Phylis Shlafly gave aid and comfort to monsters like my stepfather, which is why I have always despised her.
 
I have absolutely no idea who this person is/was.

Me neither. The only Phyllis icon I know about is:

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Me neither. The only Phyllis icon I know about is:

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She was more entertaining, especially when pickled. Was she a "Diller Pickle"? OK, feel free to shoot me now. LOL.
 
OK, then what is that statement all about? You don't have to beat around the bush. Why did you post that in this thread? I have an ear. You can explain, and if I am wrong, I will stand corrected. Fair enough? Your turn.

OK, fair enough. I am, to a certain extent, a student of the second half of the 20th Century. As our country was socially working its way out of the confusion and destruction of WWII and Korea, a few people began to emerge onto our National stage who would ultimately drive large swaths of our greater consciousness. As you will remember, camps began to form around ideas of how best to direct us all into the future. It wasn't long before faces started to be associated with ideologies and, as is always the case, rivalries formed. Men, as had been the case for our entire history, picked up where they had left off pre-war and went about their business making money and participating in politics. I don't mean to be boring but everything has to have a beginning somewhere. Very successful men often had wives who were comfortable in a traditional nuclear setting. After their children were up and running, they had time to devote to church, community projects, the YMCA, etc. Such was the case with Phyllis Schlafly. Her husband was a very successful attorney and he provided very much in the way of creature comforts for his wife and his children. As her kids were growing, she had the time to invest in youth sports, school activities, the PTA. She was very bright and she was a natural organizer. She easily fit into a very traditional, structured microcosmic world both at home and in her community. She sat on the board of the YMCA. She contributed to every worthwhile social project needed by her town and surrounding villages. OK, I'm running on and on, so let me try to cut to the chase. She saw life one way and by the time the ERA was cranking up, she had thousands and thousands of women supporters who viewed things much like she did.

The critical mass came when diametrically opposed ideologies met. Probably the simplest way to express it was that Phyllis and her forces were the opposite hand to the Welfare state. Whereas Phyllis said the family unit was the answer, the Welfare state and its cohort The War on Poverty said that Big Government was the answer. The tension between those two mammoth forces is still very much with us today, in fact, it's now probably worse than ever.

By now it is probably obvious that I hold Phyllis Schlafly in very high regard. She was a Woman who had balls as big as garbage can lids. She would stand up and never back down. She fought for what she believed in and she fought until the end. In her view, the nuclear family was what humanity is built on. The idea of an unwed mother being paid by a welfare state to raise her children was truly offensive to her basic sense of morality.

This thread has been painful for me because people who know absolutely nothing about Phyllis Schlafly have said some of the most vile and disgusting things about a fellow human that I have ever heard. If they knew anything, they would know that she has probably done more to protect them than all of the government programs combined for the last 55 years. I have not attacked any member in this thread, but I will admit to you that the vulgar way in which she has been treated upon her passing has left me with a very bad feeling for some of the members here.

Cherry picked quotes over fifty years of a brave woman's life are not representative, and not fair. Those quotes elicited pathetic reactions from the regular "hangers-on" as the piling on began. In many ways, the behaviors of members on this thread paint an unattractive portrait of what a generation or two of ERA babies must really look like.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Quaz
 
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she was an icon to reich wing conservatives
especially as a hypocrite
hired someone to keep her own house
as she worked to make sure many millions of other women would not be able to do the same
 
that means you are agreeing with me. to claim that she caused women to be second class citizens is silly. that was happening for centuries.

But that is what she strongly supported. Just because one didn't start something doesn't mean that someone shouldn't bear responsibility for the continuation of it. For instance, the concept of the Noble Lie didn't start with the Neoconservatives that Bush eventually kicked to the curb in his second term. It actually began with Plato, was written about by Machiavelli, and endorsed by Karl Marx. It was evil when Plato created the concept and it is evil today. Same goes with what Shclafly promoted. No, she didn't start the vile beliefs that she spewed, but she certainly helped those beliefs along quite a bit. She does bear responsibility for assisting in the continuation and promotion of those beliefs.
 
OK, fair enough. I am, to a certain extent, a student of the second half of the 20th Century. As our country was socially working its way out of the confusion and destruction of WWII and Korea, a few people began to emerge onto our National stage who would ultimately drive large swaths of our greater consciousness. As you will remember, camps began to form around ideas of how best to direct us all into the future. It wasn't long before faces started to be associated with ideologies and, as is always the case, rivalries formed. Men, as had been the case for our entire history, picked up where they had left off pre-war and went about their business making money and participating in politics. I don't mean to be boring but everything has to have a beginning somewhere. Very successful men often had wives who were comfortable in a traditional nuclear setting. After their children were up and running, they had time to devote to church, community projects, the YMCA, etc. Such was the case with Phyllis Schlafly. Her husband was a very successful attorney and he provided very much in the way of creature comforts for his wife and his children. As he kids were growing, she had the time to invest in youth sports, school activities, the PTA. She was very bright and she was a natural organizer. She easily fit into a very traditional, structured microcosmic world both at home and in her community. She sat on the board of the YMCA. She contributed to every worthwhile social project needed by her town and surrounding villages. OK, I'm running on and on, so let me try to cut to the chase. She saw life one way and by the time the ERA was cranking up, she had thousands and thousands of women supporters who viewed things much like she did.

The critical mass came when diametrically opposed ideologies met. Probably the simplest way to express it was that Phyllis and her forces were the opposite hand to the Welfare state. Whereas Phyllis said the family unit was the answer, the Welfare state and its cohort The War on Poverty said that Big Government was the answer. The tension between those two mammoth forces is still very much with us today, in fact, it's now probably worse than ever.

By now it is probably obvious that I hold Phyllis Schlafly in very high regard. She was a Woman who had balls as big as garbage can lids. She would stand up and never back down. She fought for what she believed in and she fought until the end. In her view, the nuclear family was what humanity is built on. The idea of an unwed mother being paid by a welfare state to raise her children was truly offensive to her basic sense of morality.

This thread has been painful for me because people who know absolutely nothing about Phyllis Schlafly have said some of the most vile and disgusting things about a fellow human that I have ever heard. If they knew anything, they would know that she has probably done more to protect them than all of the government programs combined for the last 55 years. I have not attacked any member in this thread, but I will admit to you that the vulgar way in which she has been treated upon her passing has left me with a very bad feeling for some of the members here.

Cherry picked quotes over fifty years of a brave woman's life are not representative, and not fair. Those quotes elicited pathetic reactions from the regular "hangers-on" as the piling on began. In many ways, the behaviors of members on this thread paint an unattractive portrait of what a generation or two of ERA babies must really look like.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Quaz

Thank you for joining the discussion. I strongly disagree with you, but I appreciate your discussing the subject now in an intelligent way. I don't have to agree with it, but I do respect it.

And, BTW, those quotes are things she actually said and said she believed. You call it cherry picking, but she DID say ALL those things, and even more. I just gave a few examples. What did you say earlier? If it quacks like a duck? I hate to tell you, but it's a duck.
 
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She spoke at an honor society convention we had in Dallas, along with a Democrat lady whose name I cannot remember.

After her speech, she fled the stage and was untouchable.

The Democrat lady sat around with us all and we had a very enjoyable repore.

I am sad to hear she is dead, but she was very much a Republican elitist who did not want to associate with the unwashed masses.

That was the impression she left with me. I tried contacting her through the hotel and was told she would not be entertaining any calls or visitors.

All the while the Democrat lady was sitting down right there on the stage talking to us all.
 
Thank you for joining the discussion. I strongly disagree with you, but I appreciate your discussing the subject now in an intelligent way. I don't have to agree with it, but I do respect it.

And, BTW, those quotes are things she actually said and said she believed.

I read your post above about your stepfather. You and I have way too much in common. It's a shame that we can't "crack open a keg of nails" one day and solve all the world's problems.

Peace,

Quaz
 
She spoke at an honor society convention we had in Dallas, along with a Democrat lady whose name I cannot remember.

After her speech, she fled the stage and was untouchable.

The Democrat lady sat around with us all and we had a very enjoyable repore.

I am sad to hear she is dead, but she was very much a Republican elitist who did not want to associate with the unwashed masses.

That was the impression she left with me. I tried contacting her through the hotel and was told she would not be entertaining any calls or visitors.

All the while the Democrat lady was sitting down right there on the stage talking to us all.

If the Democrat was Tipper Gore, then I am not impressed. :mrgreen:
 
Nope. The word is not pity. The word is despise. Let me give you a little background as to why this topic is important to me. When my mother and father got divorced, my mother married a man who was a well respected eye doctor. At one time, he was also the sole owner of the Family Optical Chain in Detroit, and quite rich. He was also an alcoholic who beat my mother continually for many years. We went on vacation one time at Put-In-Bay in Ohio, and on our first night there, we were asked to leave the hotel after my stepfather beat my mother with a wire coathanger. I tried to help my mother and was thrown down a flight of stairs. I was about 8 years old at the time. Years later, I became tough enough to kick his ass while he was in one of his drunken rages. After I beat him up, he then pulled a butcher knife out of the kitchen drawer and threatened me with it. I got hold of a small paring knife and backed him down, telling him that if he ever hit my mother again I would kill him. He never touched my mother after that, and she divorced him a few months later. Later on, due to his alcoholism, he lost his license to practice, and a few years after that died of cirrhosis of the liver. It's a wonder that I turned out to be one of the good guys, but my brothers and I have done OK in life.

Phylis Shlafly gave aid and comfort to monsters like my stepfather, which is why I have always despised her.

This is the internet, and you do not know me at all, but now I know a little more about you, and let me tell you know, I am GLAD you had the courage and ability to stand up to that kind of abusive behavior in a person. Your mom needed you and you were there. You made a stand when it counted.

Politics be damned, you are a good man.
 
This is the internet, and you do not know me at all, but now I know a little more about you, and let me tell you know, I am GLAD you had the courage and ability to stand up to that kind of abusive behavior in a person. Your mom needed you and you were there. You made a stand when it counted.

Politics be damned, you are a good man.

Thank YOU, sir. :)
 
that's been around for centuries. she merely wanted some of that to continue. Its not something she started. Its sort of like saying David Duke created racism

That is why I said her and "her kind". She was the spokesperson for subservience.

I had no issue with her not being for ERA. I have every issue with saying it is ok for a man to have sex with his wife against her will.
 
My mother died less than a month ago, and she was a victim of Shaffley's crap. Her kids were as well. After my father passed away, it was nice to see her have a life. But prior to his death, his kids suffered for her subservience to him.

My condolences to you and your family.
 
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