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Transgender man denied hysterectomy at Mercy San Juan[W:302]

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AGENT J said:
are you demanding i answer your strawman question when you dodges and ran from mine? LMAO :laughat:
Ill ask you again where did I say its his labor? answer the question Henrin :)
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You're acting like they did something wrong, so it seems important to establish a few facts. Are you going to answer my question or not?
 
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JayDubya said:
Elective and frivolous surgery; if they're willing to do it and she's willing to pay for it, fine.

They're not willing. She can try to find someone else to perform her elective and frivolous surgery.
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Sorry facts and the doctors disagree with your meaningless opinion.
As usual your claim is factually wrong.
In Minton’s case, there is a clear, medical need for a hysterectomy, according to his surgeon.

“Gender dysphoria is very clearly a pathology,” said Dawson. “It’s a recognized state of health,” noting that national obstetrics groups recommend that transitioning transgender patients be put on hormones and provided with appropriate surgeries.
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AGENT J said:
Thats the problem though, they DO offer this procedure and it seems they are the leader of it in the area. It was only denied once they found out the patient was transgendering.

ANd to be honest I only agree with them choosing what services as long as its not an issue with unfair burden, letting people indirectly control the choices of others.
Not saying this is the case here im just giving a crazy over the top example to explain what I mean, if all of a sudden every hospital in a 200 mile radius became under the control of the Sith ands they would give treatment to any Jedis, thats an issue. lol
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Its not an emergency or a medical necessity, I don't think they need to offer the service.
 
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Henrin said:
You're acting like they did something wrong, so it seems important to establish a few facts. Are you going to answer my question or not?
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You are acting like I stated the retarded straw man you made up so I agree it is important to establish facts. Are you going to answer my question or not?
 
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AGENT J said:
You are acting like I stated the retarded straw man you made up so I agree it is important to establish facts. Are you going to answer my question or not?
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You're the one that started this thread to complain. :shrug:
 
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Ikari said:
Its not an emergency or a medical necessity, I don't think they need to offer the service.
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Again I didn't say they have to offer it, if they didn't Id be fine with that as long as again it didnt create a circumstance of unfair burden.

The issue here is they do offer it and seem to be the local leaders of it. thats what makes it a clear case of discrimination and IMO repulsive behavior of a hospital.
 
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Henrin said:
You're the one that started this thread to complain. :shrug:
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Correct, and Im also the one who never stated the retarded strawman you made up :shrug:
:)
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) not your decision in any wa, thats for the docotos and medical science to determine
2.) meaningless opinion
3.) more meaningless opinion see #1
4.) and MORE meaningless opinion LMAO
Do you have anything factual and accurate which is on topic to add? LMAO
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The only opinion stated here was what you wrote. Everything he wrote was factual. If you have XY chromosomes you're supposed to have a uterus, rofl. So silly.
 
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AGENT J said:
Correct, and Im also the one who never stated the retarded strawman you made up :shrug:
:)
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It was a question and you should just answer it already.
 
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The problem here is the late notification.
 
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Fishking said:
Everything he wrote was factual. If you have XY chromosomes you're supposed to have a uterus, rofl. So silly.
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LMAO feel free to prove his statements were factual one by one . . ill be here waiting :D

here they are in case you forgot them ;)

1.)I'm sorry, but in what way is a hysterectomy necessary a surgery for this individual? (factually prove its unnecessary)
2.) Exactly why should doctors purposely harm their patient like this? (factually prove the doctors are harming their patient)
3.) The individual is supposed to have those organs and they appear to be healthy. The surgery should be denied.(factually prove this should be denied)

oh thats right, there are NO facts that make any of that true . . its all 100% opinion and the doctors disagree with it oooops LMAO

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Henrin said:
It was a question and you should just answer it already.
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I agree Im wiaitng for you to answer the question I presented to you first
Or continue making failed posts that each continue to get destroyed LMAO
 
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BrewerBob said:
The problem here is the late notification.
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Its a HUGE problem in my opinion (along with supposedly being the leader in that procedure) and exactly what will probably get them in trouble
 
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AGENT J said:
I agree Im wiaitng for you to answer the question I presented to you first
Or continue making failed posts that each continue to get destroyed LMAO
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I don't recall a question from you that I didn't answer. Did this question happen to come before mine?
 
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Henrin said:
I don't recall a question from you that I didn't answer. Did this question happen to come before mine?
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Posting lies wont help your failed posts LMAO
we are waiting for you to point out where i said "its her labor", you made the statement that implied that retarded strawman and I asked you for proof. SO far you are running from my request because you know you made it up and you got caught . . AGAIN. So here we are, waiting for you to support your claim . . . . ready? . . . GO!
 
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AGENT J said:
Posting lies wont help your failed posts LMAO
we are waiting for you to point out where i said "its her labor", you made the statement that implied that retarded strawman and I asked you for proof. SO far you are running from my request because you know you made it up and you got caught . . AGAIN. So here we are, waiting for you to support your claim . . . . ready? . . . GO!
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I never said you did claim it was her labor, but asked you who's labor is being called on.
 
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AGENT J said:
Again I didn't say they have to offer it, if they didn't Id be fine with that as long as again it didnt create a circumstance of unfair burden.

The issue here is they do offer it and seem to be the local leaders of it. thats what makes it a clear case of discrimination and IMO repulsive behavior of a hospital.
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Does the hospital offer this surgery to woman whose sole purpose of the surgery is to eliminate the possibility of child birth? There is a difference in needing this surgery as a result of a medical issue with female organs, and just no longer wanting the parts installed.
If they refuse the surgery to everyone who is looking just to simply have their parts removed because they no longer want them then I see no discrimination. If this a one of case then I can see some discrimination.
 
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Henrin said:
I never said you did claim it was her labor, but asked you who's labor is being called on.
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REALLY??
so expalin this post then?

Henrin said:
Worthless post that ignores it's not his labor that will be called on to provide the surgery.
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hmmm the post you called worthless was the one that destroyed your claim, it was mine, hence it was my words and thihs is you suggesting it (ME) ignores that its not her labor.....
so i will ask you again, where did I say that? I either said its her labor, ignoring what you claim or you ASSUMED IT in your head and it wasnt stated by anybody? This is so much fun lol

S0 when you answer MY question first, we can proceed.

Did I say it was her labor? yes or no answer the question henrin
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who wants to bet this is dodged and ran from?
 
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AGENT J said:
REALLY??
so expalin this post then?



hmmm the post you called worthless was the one that destroyed your claim, it was mine, hence it was my words and thihs is you suggesting it (ME) ignores that its not her labor.....
so i will ask you again, where did I say that? I either said its her labor, ignoring what you claim or you ASSUMED IT in your head and it wasnt stated by anybody? This is so much fun lol

S0 when you answer MY question first, we can proceed.

Did I say it was her labor? yes or no answer the question henrin
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who wants to bet this is dodged and ran from?
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Didn't read that. I wasn't claiming it was her labor there, but suggesting that it was in fact not her labor being called on.
 
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Chillfolks said:
1.)Does the hospital offer this surgery to woman whose sole purpose of the surgery is to eliminate the possibility of child birth?
2.) There is a difference in needing this surgery as a result of a medical issue with female organs, and just no longer wanting the parts installed.
3.) If they refuse the surgery to everyone who is looking just to simply have their parts removed because they no longer want them then I see no discrimination. If this a one of case then I can see some discrimination.
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1.) Don't know youll have to ask them but it doesnt it matter. They offer the procedure.
She was scheduled and all ready to go, on the day of they cancelled only after she mentioned while there ready for the procedure that she is transitioning.

To me thats no different then her happening to mention she is black (if she was really light skinned) or Christian or Muslim or homosexual and then magically they leave the room come back and say we wont do your surgery, our doctrine (which has nothing to do with medical science and goes against the doctor and obstetrics groups) doesnt allow us to do it

2.) it is a medical need as support by the patients DOCTORS and national obstetrics groups
In Minton’s case, there is a clear, medical need for a hysterectomy, according to his surgeon.

“Gender dysphoria is very clearly a pathology,” said Dawson. “It’s a recognized state of health,” noting that national obstetrics groups recommend that transitioning transgender patients be put on hormones and provided with appropriate surgeries.
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3.) well thats not the case and thats why it is discrimination and a problem. she was there ready to go, the only thing that changed is she mentioned she is transitioning, IMO thats severely ****ed up
 
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AGENT J said:
LMAO feel free to prove his statements were factual one by one . . ill be here waiting :D
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Easy, not that it will matter, considering who I'm talking to.

here they are in case you forgot them ;)

1.)I'm sorry, but in what way is a hysterectomy necessary a surgery for this individual? (factually prove its unnecessary)
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Fact. The surgery is not necessary.

2.) Exactly why should doctors purposely harm their patient like this? (factually prove the doctors are harming their patient)
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This is a major surgery and it is not without risks or symptoms. The doctors would purposefully be cutting someone up and removing an organ. Fact, that's harmful.

3.) The individual is supposed to have those organs and they appear to be healthy. The surgery should be denied.(factually prove this should be denied)
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Mostly fact. The individual has XY chromosomes and therefor they are supposed to have a uterus. We don't know for sure that it's healthy but the surgery was not requested because it was malfunctioning so that's a safe assumption. The part where he says the surgery should be denied is the only opinion.

oh thats right, there are NO facts that make any of that true . . its all 100% opinion and the doctors disagree with it oooops LMAO

:popcorn2:
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*shrug* Maybe next you can request something really super difficult, like tying my shoes :roll:
 
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Harshaw said:
1.)That's just abject stupidity on your part. I didn't say a thing about whether or not it was "necessary."
2.)No, they aren't, but like I said, I do not CARE if you grasp the distinction. Your understanding is not required.
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1.) weird, i didnt saw you did, tell us that cool line about stupidity again! LMAO try not to make stuff up THANKS
2.) fact remains they are trumping medical science, nothing you say will change that fact . . . nothing cause your claim is factually wrong
disagree? then please simply present ONE fact that supports your claim . . . thanks
 
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Henrin said:
Didn't read that. I wasn't claiming it was her labor there, but suggesting that it was in fact not her labor being called on.
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THats what I thought LMAO it was a made up retarded strawman that I didnt say. Next.

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Fishking said:
1.)Fact. The surgery is not necessary.
2.)This is a major surgery and it is not without risks or symptoms. The doctors would purposefully be cutting someone up and removing an organ. Fact, that's harmful.
3.)Mostly fact. The individual has XY chromosomes and therefor they are supposed to have a uterus. We don't know for sure that it's healthy but the surgery was not requested because it was malfunctioning so that's a safe assumption. The part where he says the surgery should be denied is the only opinion.
4.)*shrug* Maybe next you can request something really super difficult, like tying my shoes :roll:
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1.) her Doctor and national obstetrics groups disagree, FAIL
2.) see #1 FAIL
3.) correct its only his opinion
4.) well it must of been pretty hard since the claims in 1 and 2 are factually wrong proven by doctors. oooops
Maybe next time make a statement that can be backed up with facts instead of having them destroy your claims. Thanks for playing.

In Minton’s case, there is a clear, medical need for a hysterectomy, according to his surgeon.
“Gender dysphoria is very clearly a pathology,” said Dawson. “It’s a recognized state of health,” noting that national obstetrics groups recommend that transitioning transgender patients be put on hormones and provided with appropriate surgeries.
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AGENT J said:
1.) her Doctor and national obstetrics groups disagree, FAIL
2.) see #1 FAIL
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False. The only opinion are those statements to the contrary. Body was working as intended.

3.) correct its only his opinion
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A small part of it was.

4.) well it must of been pretty hard since the claims in 1 and 2 are factually wrong proven by doctors. oooops
Maybe next time make a statement that can be backed up with facts instead of having them destroy your claims. Thanks for playing.
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Nope. Sorry. Try again.
 
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