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Transgender Inmate Latest to Push for Hormone Treatment

AGENT J said:
1.) you mean FACTS disagree
2.) which i factually did with a link
3.) never made that claim, another retarded and failed strawman. They arent helping you.

Ill ask you again, where did I say the state needs to pay for their elective medical decisions?

Fact remains, this does deal with the 8th hence the lawsuit, your opinions dont change that fact and now the courts and medical community will decide the final out come. Where are you confused?
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Wrong once again, what a surprise. I stated this has nothing to do with the 8th Amendment, which is factually true. Just because someone brings a lawsuit, doesn't mean that they are correct. The state is not violating the person's rights at all. If he wants his hormone pills, he can make 1,000 license plates, and buy them himself.
 
ajn678 said:
1.)Wrong once again, what a surprise.
2.) I stated this has nothing to do with the 8th Amendment, which is factually true. Just because someone brings a lawsuit, doesn't mean that they are correct.
3.) The state is not violating the person's rights at all.
4.) If he wants his hormone pills, he can make 1,000 license plates, and buy them himself.
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Wow looks like you dodged my question again, good move since you got caught making up a strawman. I accept your concession on that matter LMAO

1.) 100% right, ill be sticking with facts over your proven wrong opinion.
2.) links prove it wrong LMAO you are free to believe you're factually proven wrong opinion though, facts dont care.
3.) thats your opinion, you dont get to decide your opinion is meaningless. COurts and the medical community will decide just like i said. :)
4.) more meaningless opinion.

Fact remains, your statement was your opinion at best. This does deal with the 8th hence the lawsuit, your opinions dont change that fact and now the courts and medical community will decide the final out come.Theres no opinion of yours that will change this fact, none :shrug:
 
AGENT J said:
Wow looks like you dodged my question again, good move since you got caught making up a strawman. I accept your concession on that matter LMAO

1.) 100% right, ill be sticking with facts over your proven wrong opinion.
2.) links prove it wrong LMAO you are free to believe you're factually proven wrong opinion though, facts dont care.
3.) thats your opinion, you dont get to decide your opinion is meaningless. COurts and the medical community will decide just like i said. :)
4.) more meaningless opinion.

Fact remains, your statement was your opinion at best. This does deal with the 8th hence the lawsuit, your opinions dont change that fact and now the courts and medical community will decide the final out come.Theres no opinion of yours that will change this fact, none :shrug:
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The link provided gave no proof of your statements. Did you even read it?
 
ajn678 said:
The link provided gave no proof of your statements. Did you even read it?
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Facts/ links / court precedent > than your opinions and strawmen. Remind us what FACTS are on your side again? thats right ZERO. LMAO
 
AGENT J said:
Facts/ links / court precedent > than your opinions and strawmen. Remind us what FACTS are on your side again? thats right ZERO. LMAO
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Proof from your link please?
 
ajn678 said:
Proof from your link please?
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ALready provided in the quote in that post, factual proof of your lie please :popcorn2:




Who wants to bet my request is dodged and deflected from and ZERO facts are provided to support his claim.
 
AGENT J said:
ALready provided in the quote in that post, factual proof of your lie please :popcorn2:




Who wants to bet my request is dodged and deflected from and ZERO facts are provided to support his claim.
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So your link that has literally nothing to do in regards to this case and a snippet of something that has nothing to do with this case is your proof? Okay then.
 
ajn678 said:
So your link that has literally nothing to do in regards to this case and a snippet of something that has nothing to do with this case is your proof? Okay then.
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nailed it. Just like i said I knew your next post would be nothign but a dodged and deflected and would contain ZERO facts supporting your lie LMAO thats what I thought, thanks for playing! Why do you post lies when they are so easily destroyed? LMAO
Well we will be waiting, please let us know when you can post any facts that support your proved wrong lie . . just ONE fact will do, thanks!

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Double or nothign my request is ran from again?
 
AGENT J said:
nailed it. Just like i said I knew your next post would be nothign but a dodged and deflected and would contain ZERO facts supporting your lie LMAO thats what I thought, thanks for playing! Why do you post lies when they are so easily destroyed? LMAO
Well we will be waiting, please let us know when you can post any facts that support your proved wrong lie . . just ONE fact will do, thanks!

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Double or nothign my request is ran from again?
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I would say that the only thing destroyed here is your credibility, but that is long gone by now. You post an opinion piece and try to pass it off as facts to apply it to this case. You failed though.
 
ajn678 said:
I would say that the only thing destroyed here is your credibility, but that is long gone by now. You post an opinion piece and try to pass it off as facts to apply it to this case. You failed though.
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Hey look another dodge and instead of defending your failed and proven wrong lies you resort to failed personal insults LMAO I love it. Typical path taken when one has their posts get owned and destroyed and there's no logical, factual or accurate path for them to take to defend the BS they got caught trying to sell and couldnt. :D Your post get destroyed and facts win again!

Fact remains this case is about the 8th amendment.

I will ask you AGAIN, please post ONE single fact that support your lie . . .one? thanks!
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triple or nothing anybody?
 
AGENT J said:
You concern is justified though in the past there have been cases of the prison docotos down playing everything and were caught. They had to answer for that crime.
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I am concerned about the prison doctor saying no for political reasons. Just as I am concerned a doctor who will do almost anything for can be found to say yes.

As I understand it this person has been in prison from age 16 on. If there was documented information about gender questioning before incarceration then I am inclined to lean more to a medical need for these hormones. If this is a jail house conversion then I am more sceptical as I am anytime someone claims to change anything major in prison.
 
AGENT J said:
Hey look another dodge and instead of defending your failed and proven wrong lies you resort to failed personal insults LMAO I love it. Typical path taken when one has their posts get owned and destroyed and there's no logical, factual or accurate path for them to take to defend the BS they got caught trying to sell and couldnt. :D Your post get destroyed and facts win again!

Fact remains this case is about the 8th amendment.

I will ask you AGAIN, please post ONE single fact that support your lie . . .one? thanks!
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triple or nothing anybody?
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Show where this case applies to the 8th Amendment? Your link doesn't provide that at all.
 
Chillfolks said:
1.) I am concerned about the prison doctor saying no for political reasons. Just as I am concerned a doctor who will do almost anything for can be found to say yes.
2.)As I understand it this person has been in prison from age 16 on. If there was documented information about gender questioning before incarceration then I am inclined to lean more to a medical need for these hormones. If this is a jail house conversion then I am more sceptical as I am anytime someone claims to change anything major in prison.
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1.) that's a legit concern and it already exists and has forever . . . it excists in just about every field, judged, police officers, docotors etc . . not something that we can magically fix or that justifies denying people medical treatment or violating their rights.
2.) again, i on the medical community the way it should be. I dont disagree with your concern but the only logic move is to leave it to the medical community.
 
ajn678 said:
Show where this case applies to the 8th Amendment? Your link doesn't provide that at all.
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SOrry I wont be entertaining retarded lies, facts have already proven you wrong. If you disagree its your job to prove otherwise instead or continue to dodge that request, run from it and get your posts further destroyed. Which is VERY telling.
Now when you can post one fact that supports your lie you let us know, thanks! LMAO

Until then fact remains this case is about the 8th :)

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AGENT J said:
SOrry I wont be entertaining retarded lies, facts have already proven you wrong. If you disagree its your job to prove otherwise instead or continue to dodge that request, run from it and get your posts further destroyed. Which is VERY telling.
Now when you can post one fact that supports your lie you let us know, thanks! LMAO

Until then fact remains this case is about the 8th :)

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Much of the state rulings in these cases have stated that the states do not have to provide this type of "healthcare" to inmates. Now again, you posted information that had nothing to do with the case at hand and attempted to say that proved you were correct. In reality, nothing you have stated was backed up by anything other than a link that has nothing to do with this.
 
ajn678 said:
Much of the state rulings in these cases have stated that the states do not have to provide this type of "healthcare" to inmates. Now again, you posted information that had nothing to do with the case at hand and attempted to say that proved you were correct. In reality, nothing you have stated was backed up by anything other than a link that has nothing to do with this.
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Weird, i dont see ONE fact in there that supports your lie? not one . . . again lets us know when you have one, thanks
Your lies, strawmen and deflections will NEVER work on me.

FACT remains this case is about the 8th
 
AGENT J said:
Weird, i dont see ONE fact in there that supports your lie? not one . . . again lets us know when you have one, thanks
Your lies, strawmen and deflections will NEVER work on me.

FACT remains this case is about the 8th
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You have yet to prove anything, so I question why you are continuing to claim I have not posted any "facts".
 
ajn678 said:
You have yet to prove anything, so I question why you are continuing to claim I have not posted any "facts".
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Weird, i dont see ONE fact in there that supports your lie? not one . . . again lets us know when you have one, thanks
Your lies, strawmen and deflections will NEVER work on me.

FACT remains this case is about the 8th
 
AGENT J said:
Weird, i dont see ONE fact in there that supports your lie? not one . . . again lets us know when you have one, thanks
Your lies, strawmen and deflections will NEVER work on me.

FACT remains this case is about the 8th
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Yet, you can't provide facts on that. :lamo
 
ajn678 said:
Yet, you can't provide facts on that. :lamo
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Lying won't help you save your destroyed lie :laughat:
Let us know when you have one fact that support your lie . . one
in fact I DIRECTLY challenge you or ANYBODY to provided one FACT supports your lie "this case has nothign to do with the 8th

you will again run from this lie and NOBODY will even dare try because everybody knows you posted a lie and there are no facts that support your lie :D
FACT remains this case is about the 8th


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AGENT J said:
Lying won't help you save your destroyed lie :laughat:
Let us know when you have one fact that support your lie . . one
in fact I DIRECTLY challenge you or ANYBODY to provided one FACT supports your lie "this case has nothign to do with the 8th

you will again run from this lie and NOBODY will even dare try because everybody knows you posted a lie and there are no facts that support your lie :D
FACT remains this case is about the 8th


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Proof?
 
ajn678 said:
Proof?
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BOOM!!!! and another dodge LAMO Please let us know when you have one fact that support your lie, thanks
Your post fails, gets owned and facts win. FACT remains this case is about the 8th

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AGENT J said:
BOOM!!!! and another dodge LAMO Please let us know when you have one fact that support your lie, thanks
Your post fails, gets owned and facts win. FACT remains this case is about the 8th

:popcorn2:
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Yet you can't prove it is.
 
AGENT J said:
Lying won't help you save your destroyed lie :laughat:
Let us know when you have one fact that support your lie . . one
in fact I DIRECTLY challenge you or ANYBODY to provided one FACT supports your lie "this case has nothign to do with the 8th

you will again run from this lie and NOBODY will even dare try because everybody knows you posted a lie and there are no facts that support your lie :D
FACT remains this case is about the 8th


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imo, you need to define more how you believe its about the 8th amendment.

My question,

if the person was not on hormone treatment before being imprisoned, how does not giving said person the hormone treatment apply to the 8th.
- if a person was on hormone treatment prior to be imprisoned, does not providing the hormones lead to a cruel and unusual treatment?

- if a person is truly a transgender who has not completed the transistion. What prison does that person belong in? male or female for a male transgender?
 
ajn678 said:
The 8th Amendment has nothing to do with this. They are not withholding food, nor anything that is required to live. He might mentally believe he is a women, but that is also according to the medical community not a mental illness. I myself imagine they don't want to be around men and think that if they transition, they can go into a women's prison.
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You're welcome to imagine whatever you like. The Constitution applies to everyone. I only gave you my personal opinions. You gave me yours. Neither of us have the final say.
 
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