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Donald Trump's Description of Black America Is Offending Those Living in It

People that look to be offended usually find what they are seeking.
 
QuadpolarNutjob said:
"black america" is "black america's" biggest problem. it isnt whites going into black neighborhoods and committing massive amounts of crime. it isnt whites burning down black cities. it's blacks doing that. 93% of murdered blacks are killed by other blacks.

GROW UP, "black america", step 1 to fixing your problem is to recognize that YOU are the cause of it.

Giuliani: 93 percent of black murders committed by blacks | PunditFact


try personal responsibility for a change.
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you know, you indirectly make a sound point

if these arsonists would instead ignite the properties of the affluent, their plight, their motivations to do the burning might be something that those in power become more inclined to hear, in the hope that the arson of their own assets will abate
 
Mason66 said:
Why would the blacks be against him for something he said about another group?
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Because they consider his rhetoric to be racist? And I'm positive many black people are against Trump because they view him as a racist.
 
TheGoverness said:
I don't even know why Trumo even bothers trying to get the Black vote, he's obviously not going to appeal to them in any way.

Which is why I scratch my head when Trump says he's doing "great" with African-Americans. Because he's not.

He's polling single-digits with black voters, and he's somehow doing "great" with them? Please.
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Trump lives in a bubble and surrounds himself with people who will stroke his ego while padding/shielding him from reality. He is even more detached from the average Joe, minorities, and women than Romney was. This only difference between Romney and Trump is that Trump is trying to con people into thinking he cares/loves all these groups where Romney just lumped them all in the 47% and washed his hands of them. I don't know why the Republican party has such a hard time finding nominees that can appeal to the masses instead of the selective few.
 
TheGoverness said:
I wanna hear Trump's plan on how he's going to prevent black people from being shot in the hood.

Maybe he can show up to help like the StateFarm guy.
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I wanna hear Clinton's plan on how she's going to prevent black people from being shot in the hood.

Maybe she can show up to help like the Verizon guy.
 
Mason66 said:
For one thing, they can cooperate with the police to remove those dangerous elements from their neighborhoods, but they don't.
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how do you know they do not cooperate with the police?
 
TheGoverness said:
Because they consider his rhetoric to be racist? And I'm positive many black people are against Trump because they view him as a racist.
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You have to wonder about a group that would be against the candidate that is the most likely to help out your situation simply because the word racist is being yelled so loud, they can't hear anything else.
 
Mason66 said:
Snitching is a definite no-no in those neighborhoods.

Do you think they do?
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i know they do
at least to the extent they have information

normally, those engaged in illegal enterprises try to conceal their criminal activities
just because they are successful in doing so does not mean the resident population is unwilling to share information with the police
 
straykatz said:
Trump lives in a bubble and surrounds himself with people who will stroke his ego while padding/shielding him from reality. He is even more detached from the average Joe, minorities, and women than Romney was. This only difference between Romney and Trump is that Trump is trying to con people into thinking he cares/loves all these groups where Romney just lumped them all in the 47% and washed his hands of them. I don't know why the Republican party has such a hard time finding nominees that can appeal to the masses instead of the selective few.
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Do you believe Hillary is not trying to con people into thinking she cares/loves all these groups?

(hint, she is a politician. She tells people what she thinks they want to hear.)
 
Mason66 said:
You have to wonder about a group that would be against the candidate that is the most likely to help out your situation simply because the word racist is being yelled so loud, they can't hear anything else.
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What has he promised to do?

I'm all ears on this one, because I happen to agree that leadership has failed the black community in general. I'm thinking of black leadership specifically. But what inkling is there that Trump has any viable ideas about how to improve the situation? I'm not talking about a specific point by point plan, just an outline of how he would do it any better.

So?
 
mike2810 said:
Do you believe Hillary is not trying to con people into thinking she cares/loves all these groups?

(hint, she is a politician. She tells people what she thinks they want to hear.)
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Why do so many of you turn the conversation over to Hillary every time someone points out Trump's faults/shortcomings?
 
Opopanax said:
What has he promised to do?

I'm all ears on this one, because I happen to agree that leadership has failed the black community in general. I'm thinking of black leadership specifically. But what inkling is there that Trump has any viable ideas about how to improve the situation? I'm not talking about a specific point by point plan, just an outline of how he would do it any better.

So?
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The removal of illegals will open up jobs that blacks can then move into, if they want to.

The biggest problem the black community has is the high unemployment rate.
 
Mason66 said:
You have to wonder about a group that would be against the candidate that is the most likely to help out your situation simply because the word racist is being yelled so loud, they can't hear anything else.
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What is he promising or offering? Nothing other than asking what have they got to lose! And that question comes from a man who has been sued for not renting to minorities (specifically black people) and most recently he knowingly took money/endorsement from the KKK and then claimed he didn't know who David Duke was....and then once confronted with it he rebuked it and lied that he didn't know him or anything about him....kind of like getting his hand caught in the cookie jar after the fact.
 
straykatz said:
What is he promising or offering? Nothing other than asking what have they got to lose! And that question comes from a man who has been sued for not renting to minorities (specifically black people) and most recently he knowingly took money/endorsement from the KKK and then claimed he didn't know who David Duke was....and then once confronted with it he rebuked it and lied that he didn't know him or anything about him....kind of like getting his hand caught in the cookie jar after the fact.
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OK if you say so.
 
Mason66 said:
The removal of illegals will open up jobs that blacks can then move into, if they want to.

The biggest problem the black community has is the high unemployment rate.
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What is stopping them right now from applying/filling those jobs?
 
justabubba said:
is the hispanic community monolithic on the immigration issue

if i had to stand in line, wait my turn, process the paperwork before being able to legally emigrate to the USA, i believe i would resent those who did not follow the designated process

and tRump appears deaf to the one reason many in the black community, those with low skills looking for work, would prefer him over hillary. eliminating the illegals who are competing for the same jobs, driving up the value of that labor by reducing the excessive supply of undocumented, unskilled laborers, enhances that segment of the black population's prospects to realize decent paying work
but tRump's recent flip-flop on jettisoning illegals just undermined his one wedge issue for that portion of the black vote
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Very true. He really doesn't have much else to offer the black community.
 
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straykatz said:
What is stopping them right now from applying/filling those jobs?
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The jobs that are occupied by other people? I don't know, maybe the fact that they are not available right now.
 
justabubba said:
i know they do
at least to the extent they have information

normally, those engaged in illegal enterprises try to conceal their criminal activities
just because they are successful in doing so does not mean the resident population is unwilling to share information with the police
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Perhaps your experience is limited, but there has been a major effort underway for years to address witness intimidation, and criminal retribution against anyone suspected of cooperating with the police, or reporting on criminal behavior.

Why eliminating witness fears is key to solving homicides

Though the number of homicides in the U.S. has dropped more than 30 percent since 1990, and considerable advancements have been made in forensic science, the percentage of homicides going unpunished has grown. In the mid-1970s, the average homicide clearance rate — the percentage of homicides considered solved — was around 80 percent, according to a Department of Justice report. Today, the national average is around 63 percent, and around 58 percent in Los Angeles County.

In poor and minority communities, it is far lower — not even reaching 40 percent in some ZIP codes of South L.A.​
 
justabubba said:
really? you believe black people WANT to be shot?
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Apparently there are a lot that do, otherwise they wouldn't engage in behavior that makes being shot more likely.

what exactly does that mean? how do those who are not doing the shooting prevent the shooting?
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You address the problems inherent within the black community. You address the massive number of kids dropping out of school. You address thug culture. You address single parenthood, which is rampant among blacks. You address the open acceptance of criminality. But the black community doesn't want to do that. They just want to point fingers and blame others for their own problems.

the people who want a safe setting are typically those peaceful law abiding citizens who are powerless to stop the violence within their neighborhoods. i would surmise that they would delight in the end of that violence in their own neighborhoods to a much greater degree than would you
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Then they are far outnumbered by the criminal element. Blacks make up 13% of the American population, yet commit more than 50% of the murders and other violent crimes. But you don't see blacks en masse speaking out about the problems within their own community. Instead, you see them burning down their own neighborhood because something happened that made them mad. How can problems be solved with they can't even react rationally?
 
Mason66 said:
The jobs that are occupied by other people? I don't know, maybe the fact that they are not available right now.
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I was referring to available jobs.
 
Im sure many political blacks are really just...golly...UPSET over Trumps unfair description of life in black America today.

Others...not so much.




Its not just black. its not a 'northern' thing or a 'southern' thing or an 'eastern' thing. And its damn sure not a 'new' thing. Getting your panties twsted because some black folk are doing aiiight is pretty ****ing stupid when you consider the overall picture. And BTW...are these people that are poutraged over Trumps comments the same ones that think 33% of black American males in prison is a bad thing? I mean...come on...do they think ALL black people are in prison?
 
straykatz said:
What is he promising or offering? Nothing other than asking what have they got to lose! And that question comes from a man who has been sued for not renting to minorities (specifically black people) and most recently he knowingly took money/endorsement from the KKK and then claimed he didn't know who David Duke was....and then once confronted with it he rebuked it and lied that he didn't know him or anything about him....kind of like getting his hand caught in the cookie jar after the fact.
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How the **** would you know what he is actually offering and BTW...WTF do you actually care? Hell...the dems have been recipients of 70+ @ of black voter support since the 30s. Dems run pretty much every major city in the country and they run the cities and the black community right into the ground. Seriously...WTF do you even care?
 
Cephus said:
Apparently there are a lot that do, otherwise they wouldn't engage in behavior that makes being shot more likely.
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then you do acknowledge that no one actually wants to get shot
and yes, some do place themselves in a position to become shooting targets by their actions. that is not unique to the black community, despite that you present it to be

You address the problems inherent within the black community.
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those law abiding residents within the black community? why do they have to undertake this problem? one that is not of their making and one that they are largely powerless to address

You address the massive number of kids dropping out of school.
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how do the responsible members of the neighborhood do this? hell, i could not prevent 3 of my brother's 4 kids from dropping out while living in their red neck enclave. if the parents and the students have no intent to assure the education is realized, how are their neighbors going to change that?

You address thug culture.
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what about thug culture needs to be addressed? and how is it then corrected?

You address single parenthood, which is rampant among blacks.
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it is rampant in the white community, too. but let's get back to the solutions. how do those law abiding neighbors within that black community, those who raised their children to stay straight and get an education and be responsible, how are they going to prevent the girl down the street from getting pregnant while single - and usually unemployed and uneducated?

You address the open acceptance of criminality.
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tell us how the law abiding members of the community address this issue so that it is no longer a problem

But the black community doesn't want to do that.
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do what, exactly? you have offered no solutions; no action plan. all you have done is taken a problem and expressed your expectation that somebody else needs to solve it

They just want to point fingers and blame others for their own problems.
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do you see the irony of that sentence?
please, can you see the irony of what you posted?

YOU are pointing fingers
YOU are blaming others
and YOU fail to recognize that these are your neighbors. YOU are just as responsible for solving these problems as every other law abiding citizen who wants our society to be better

Then they are far outnumbered by the criminal element.
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i think quite the opposite. i believe most people are decent, law abiding citizens. those who would use force exert a negative influence disproportionate to their numbers

Blacks make up 13% of the American population, yet commit more than 50% of the murders and other violent crimes. But you don't see blacks en masse speaking out about the problems within their own community.
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i see it quite a bit. and i see folks of your ilk then whining when they do. or are you an outspoken Black Lives Matter advocate?

Instead, you see them burning down their own neighborhood because something happened that made them mad.
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you believe the law abiding citizens can stop the criminals from committing arson even when the police cannot? your expectation of these powerless law abiding citizens is FAR in excess of what is reasonable to actually expect

How can problems be solved with they can't even react rationally?
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better question:
how can you expect others to solve these problems when you cannot articulate a valid approach to solving the problems?
and why do you exclude yourself as someone who should be expected to help solve the problems? they are as much yours as they are the problems of the other law abiding, responsible residents of the community. that community known as the USA
 
straykatz said:
Why do so many of you turn the conversation over to Hillary every time someone points out Trump's faults/shortcomings?
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I am not a Trump supporter. I have stated on other threads that I do not like Trump or Hilary.

Reason I ask is to see if the poster has a bias in making the statement regarding Trump's views. I am also pointing out that what is stated about Trump can be stated about Hilary.

Why do so many answer questions with questions?
 
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