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Transgender Bathroom Access to Extend to All Federal Buildings[W:197]

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AGENT J said:
no need to be sorry for your wrong opinions
Facts and definitions > than your meaningless and factually wrong feelings
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Ok, so according to you if someone ever disagrees with psychologists they're bigots. That's really stupid. It also pretty much undermines the entire scientific process. It's basically, the experts have spoken, you may not disagree.
 
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Henrin said:
It quite literally puts the discrimination under sex, so yeah, they are saying you're discriminating based on sex.
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What do you mean “puts the discrimination under sex”?

If someone who isn’t transgender is permitted to use the bathroom relating to their gender identity but someone who is transgender isn’t permitted to do the same thing, the discrimination is on the grounds of transgender identity. Biological sex is irrelevant in this context – either individual could be biologically male or biologically female and the legal situation would be the same.

I can understand you not liking this situation and I could even see reasoned arguments against it but the specific objection you’re trying to raise here makes no sense.
 
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Groogrux said:
This is a matter of where people go to the bathroom. Using a public restroom is not a privilege, it's a necessity of humans. So we are faced with a choice of letting people decide for themselves which restroom makes the most sense or the government mandating ALL public restrooms be individual and unisex. What makes the most sense to you?
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single stall unisex bathrooms would create quite a bit of issues in places that have large crowds.
 
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Henrin said:
Ok, so according to you if someone ever disagrees with psychologists they're bigots. That's really stupid. It also pretty much undermines the entire scientific process. It's basically, the experts have spoken, you may not disagree.
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save the retarded made up strawmen that nobody ever said, they always fail anyway LMAO you are welcome to your wrong opinion ill be sticking with facts and definitions ;)
 
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AGENT J said:
save the retarded made up strawmen that nobody ever said, they always fail anyway LMAO you are welcome to your wrong opinion ill be sticking with facts and definitions ;)
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You didn't say that? Oh, but you did. He called something a mental illness and in response you called him a bigot for it. All he did was disagree with other people and you called him a bigot for it. Bravo.
 
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AGENT J said:
save the retarded made up strawmen that nobody ever said, they always fail anyway LMAO you are welcome to your wrong opinion ill be sticking with facts and definitions ;)
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Let's stick with definitions: a man, dressed up like a woman, is still a man.
 
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apdst said:
Let's stick with definitions: a man, dressed up like a woman, is still a man.
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He's also crossdresser. Both of these little facts people on the left these days consider to be cancerous.
 
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Henrin said:
I wouldn't say in every case, but in cases dealing in scientific fact, yes. If the government says you're discriminating based on sex but the guy you rejected is literally barred from the area based on their sex, well, their case is factually wrong.



Because if I get dragged into court and the governments case fails on factual grounds justice dictates that they lose. Why should the government be able to ignore facts in law?
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You're doing it again, Henrin. Either lying or looking at the situation with your black or white blinders on. In this case, the government is using gender identity as a subset of sexual discrimination, which it is. The government isn't talking about sex. They are talking about gender identity as being the test for the discrimination. Now, pleas adjust the foolish argument that I'm sure will follow to these parameters.
 
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Henrin said:
1.)You didn't say that?
2.) Oh, but you did.
3.) He called something a mental illness and in response you called him a bigot for it. All he did was disagree with other people and you called him a bigot for it.
4.) Bravo.
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1.) COrrect i factually did not say the retarded stramwen and lie you made up in post #52. if you disagree then simply qoute me sayign that, You wont, cause you cant, cause you made it up.
2.) oh but i never did
3.) yes he called and judged a group of people as mental ill who are not that is bigotry
4.) thanks I agree but it easy to simply use facts and definitions accurately giving bravo may be a little much.

Let me know when you find those quotes of me saying the lies you made up, ill be waiting!!! thansk!!!
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CaptainCourtesy said:
You're doing it again, Henrin. Either lying or looking at the situation with your black or white blinders on. In this case, the government is using gender identity as a subset of sexual discrimination, which it is. The government isn't talking about sex. They are talking about gender identity as being the test for the discrimination. Now, pleas adjust the foolish argument that I'm sure will follow to these parameters.
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They put it under sex, so no, you're wrong. You can also drop the arrogance, but of course you won't.
 
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apdst said:
Let's stick with definitions: a man, dressed up like a woman, is still a man.
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that would depend on what definition you are using.
A genetic male dreassed up as a woman is still genetically a male yes :shrug:
 
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ludin said:
single stall unisex bathrooms would create quite a bit of issues in places that have large crowds.
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Absolutely, plus it would be very expensive. So it makes more sense to let people use the restroom they feel most comfortable in.
 
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apdst said:
Let's stick with definitions: a man, dressed up like a woman, is still a man.
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That's an excellent example of you getting definitions wrong. A man dressed up as a women is a transvestite.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) COrrect i factually did not say the retarded stramwen and lie you made up in post #52. if you disagree then simply qoute me sayign that, You wont, cause you cant, cause you made it up.
2.) oh but i never did
3.) yes he called and judged a group of people as mental ill who are not that is bigotry
4.) thanks I agree but it easy to simply use facts and definitions accurately giving bravo may be a little much.

Let me know when you find those quotes of me saying the lies you made up, ill be waiting!!! thansk!!!
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What do you think disagreeing with something being a mental illness does exactly? If psychologists don't deem something as a mental illness and you disagree then you necessarily deem a group of people as mentally ill. Explain to me then how you can disagree with the experts and not be a bigot using your reasoning?
 
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Groogrux said:
Absolutely, plus it would be very expensive. So it makes more sense to let people use the restroom they feel most comfortable in.
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Sorry a guy doesn't have a right to be in the same locker room or bathroom as my daughter or wife.
YOu can shout disagree and throw a fit all you want it won't change the facts.

now if he wants to cut his dick off and become a eunuch then I might consider it.
however no amount of surgery will make him a women.

just like a wolf in sheeps clothings is still a wolf it isn't a sheep.
 
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Henrin said:
They put it under sex, so no, you're wrong. You can also drop the arrogance, but of course you won't.
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nothign he said was wrong it was all 100% factually right and its already been proven in this thread with facts and links. You can keep playing the game of using sex only for gender when you want and then not using it for gender when you want or acting like you dont understand but it isnt fooling anybody. LOL Post 20 and 25 along with posts of others thoroughly destroyed your claims.
 
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Henrin said:
They put it under sex, so no, you're wrong. You can also drop the arrogance, but of course you won't.
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I didn't say they didn't put it under sex. But I did say that it is based on GENDER IDENTITY which is the correct subset.
 
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Henrin said:
What do you think disagreeing with something being a mental illness does exactly? If psychologists don't deem something as a mental illness and you disagree then you necessarily deem a group of people as mentally ill. Explain to me then how you can disagree with the experts and not be a bigot using your reasoning?
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translation: you have no quote to support the proven wrong lie you made up. Got it.
maybe in your next post you can post that quote for me, thanks!
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ludin said:
Sorry a guy doesn't have a right to be in the same locker room or bathroom as my daughter or wife.
YOu can shout disagree and throw a fit all you want it won't change the facts.

now if he wants to cut his dick off and become a eunuch then I might consider it.
however no amount of surgery will make him a women.

just like a wolf in sheeps clothings is still a wolf it isn't a sheep.
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Sorry, but you are wrong. It depends on the situation as to where the individual belongs.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I didn't say they didn't put it under sex. But I did say that it is based on GENDER IDENTITY which is the correct subset.
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Gender identity is not a subset of sex, so again, they are wrong.
 
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Henrin said:
Tell me, how it is a bigoted view? Lets say for the sake of example that a psychopath wasn't deemed as a person with a mental illness by psychologists, but someone came along and said it is a mental illness anyway. Would that be bigoted? I think you're confusing disagreeing with psychologists and being bigoted. You should watch that.

For one thing it's a ridiculous fallacy that has to assume a field that 40% of the time is wrong is 100% of the time right, and for another, it misuses the term bigot badly.
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You're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. ALL humans deserve the right to use a public restroom. Use whatever terminology that blows your hair back.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
That's an excellent example of you getting definitions wrong. A man dressed up as a women is a transvestite.
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That's a great example of you not reading.
 
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ludin said:
1.)Sorry a guy doesn't have a right to be in the same locker room or bathroom as my daughter or wife.
2.) YOu can shout disagree and throw a fit all you want it won't change the facts.
3.)now if he wants to cut his dick off and become a eunuch then I might consider it.
4.) however no amount of surgery will make him a women.

just like a wolf in sheeps clothings is still a wolf it isn't a sheep.
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1.) no need to be sorry for somethign nobody said, please keep the straw man to a minimum.

2.) since you made it up theres no need to do anythign but point out that fact you made that strawman up
3.) your consideration is meaningless to this discussion
4.) genetically thats true, are you confused but what is actually being discussed and what you are just making up in your head?
 
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